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That was my point, he would never push me a second time. If Matt would have slugged him they would have probably banned all of Jack's teams. NASCAR can get tough on the CITH's boys. :what: |
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Tony is going to get tangled up with a Toyota in this race. Why a Toyota? Because he's going to be in the back of the field where they are. :23:
Now as a Gordon fan, I do have to agree the push with Kenseth was a real embarrassment. At least take of the helmet when you do that. It was a coward thing to do. As for Jeff's moral issues and prior divorce, that's not my concern. I'm sure there are many others out there on the track with issues that would shock us all if brought out in the open. That's life in general. I'm sure that if everyone's lives on M1R were revealed many of us would be shocked. Jeff's streak ends today. However it's Jimmie for the win. Denny Hamlin, Mark Martin, Jeff Gordon, and Kenseth rounding out the top 5. |
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Watching the practice yesterday they had Dale Joke as the second fastest and he didn't qualify?
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Well, that was about enough to make me want to hand in my NASCAR watchers guide. A Toyota came in ahead of the highest finishing Ford. JJ wins again, and Hendricks fills the top three spots. I'd say something like 'this is rigged' or Hendricks is being given a cheat, but then I'd be given whatever they gave Stewart to make him tow the party line for NASCAR. This might be IT for me...
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welcome to the growing number of former nascar fans:D
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Keep in mind this is cup racing, not the grassroots NASCAR racers. I've been a real fan since the mid 60's and my Dad was a modified racer from the earliest days. If you know your NASCAR history --- not much has changed. There has always been someone appearing to get an unfair advantage and there has always been a Jack Roush type.
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The top teams will always be dominate in Nascar. It's the same in any major racing venue, not just Nascar. The big teams with the multi drivers and the huge sponsorships have the resources to hire the best drivers, the best crews, the best mechanics, and etc etc etc. This translates to wins on the track. Hendricks dominating right now is nothing different than Jack Roush and his team a couple of years ago with all of his team in the top 10. I don't think for a minute that the races are rigged or staged or planned or whatever. There is no smoking gun in the grassy knoll here. The Hendricks team has some great drivers. Johnson and Gordon have proven to be amoung the best. Kyle Busch has a lot of talent. In short they have great drivers and some of the best crews in the business. The way I see it, Junior Johnson changed the sport to the way it is today. Prior to Johnson and his dominate cars in the 70's most of the cars were self owned. Jr. came in and dominated in the 70's with his top drivers and big sponsors. Dominate teams come and go. Hendricks won it in 95,96,97,98,01,06. Childress in 90,91,93,94. Joe Gibbs 2000,2002,2005. And Roush 2003,2004. |
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Brian France drives a Lexus :wtf:
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When Nascar hands out restrictor plates & shocks to teams for cars they can affect a race. I have always felt like they (Nascar) through plates, shocks & tires, can affect (not stage) a race so that those teams with large sponsorship $$ on the line can have a shot at the win. Let's face it, there are only 6-8 cars, week in & out, that have a legitimate shot to win the race. The rest are running for a top 15 place. Look at the companies in the top 10
Dupont-(One of the worlds largest chemical companies) Lowes- ( 1385 Stores in 49 states & Mexico) Dewalt-(World wide brand of construction tools) FedEX- (32.293 billion in revenue & one of the largest delivery carriers in the world) AT&T/Cingular (Huge telecommunications company) Kelloggs-(100 year old food manufacture...you probably ate one of the products today) Home Depot- (2147 Stores 90 billion in sales) Shell Oil Miller Brewing DirecTV The above is your current top 10. Big $$ and that is what Nascar is about. |
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Reutimann - Domino's Pizza 5.1 Billion in annual sales Ragan - American Automobile Association Earnhardt JR.- Budweiser (Anheiser Busch) Riggs- Valvoline 1.3 Billion annual sales Yeley- Interstate Batteries 13 Million batteries a year. Gilliland - M & M's(Mars Corp.) 18 billion annual sales Sorrenson - Target Stores - 23 billion annual US sales alone Montoya - Texaco/ Havoline Jarrett- United Parcel Service (Still the largest in the world) Green - Best Buy Rudd- Snickers(Mars corp.) 18 billion annual sales Raines - DLP(Texas Instruments) There are some heavy hitters above that have not been able to translate that to wins. From top to bottom it takes money and a lot of it. |
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And NAPA.
$50 in sales.............................. |
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Ragan Riggs Yeley Gilliland Sorrenson Raines Who are these guys? They may have big sponsors, but not the biggest and can't deliver the Face or name brand (like Earnhardt or Gordon) with the sponsor for Nascar. Have any of them won a Winston/Nextel cup race? Do they have a chance week in and week out. Earnhardt Jr.- well, Nascar has done the best they can do to change the championship series to allow him a chance to win, including adding a couple more spots to the Sprint. He is a great guy, with lots of sponsor appeal and very popular, so Nascar loves him. Montoya- Bring on the hispanic market share and all the new potential Nascar fans. Amazing how he won the race in Mexico?! Jarrett, Green & Rudd (Martin & Waltrip)- Old guys in the twilight of their careers who can retain sponsors on what they have done, but have little chance win week in and out. Several instances come to mind that lead you to believe that Nascar can alter or shift competition. I like to call it that as cheating or fixing sounds so harsh. Look all the way back to July 4th, 1984 needing one more win to get 200, with President Reagan present, Petty 'wins' 200. Wins no more races although drives until 1992 (btw, Petty's last race was Gordon's first). Imagine the odds. Or how about after 20 years of being the bridesmaid, in 1998 Dale Earnhardt wins the one race that has eluded him his entire career. Micheal Waltrip, after having never won a race (and at the time, the longest loosing streak) wins the first race of his career & with DEI. What are the odds?! Or how about Indy boy Gordon wins inagural Brickyard 400 in 1994. Imagine the odds. Or how California born Golden boy Gordon wins the inagural California race in 1997, wow. A whole lot of amazing finishes that grew the audience and following along the way. Imagine how boring each week would be if you had Ruetmann, Yaley, Sorrenson & Ragan winning. Imagine the television ratings and how they would plummett (remember that there are a lot of commercials to pay for the Nascar television contract). Tony Stupi- Stewart is the only guy with the kahoneys to speak the truth. Watch if he wins a race this year after the Nascar comment. He might, but my bet is he won't. Now, if Nascar could only teach Hulk Hogan to shift gears, can you imagine how many viewers you could attract! |
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Am I the only one thinking the Chevys have a distinct advantage with the COT? I know Hendricks and Gibbs are great teams but there isn't a Ford or a Dodge with more than 20 laps led over 4 races! And Ford finally broke it's streak of 1 lap led yesterday when Kenseth led during green flag pitstops...
Also, I love short tracks the best (especially at night) but this year both Bristol and Richmond were stinkers. I was totally bored yesterday to the point that I actually watched the movie Ultraviolet on HBO during half the race (if that doesn't spell desperate I don't know what does cuz that movie sucked!). |
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Sorry for the long rant. Just my .02 from a Nascar fan from back in the day. I miss the old days. It's just not the same and for me (and maybe not most of you) it's not better.
And yes, I was a huge fan. I grew up listening to Nascar on the AM radio Sunday afternoons with my dad. My oldest son was born the year we lost Davey Allison & Alan Kulwicki. His name is David Alan in honor of two of the best drivers ever. Go ahead, wear me out:tongue: |
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Yeah but I returned it for a refund.
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When Martin left Ford, he became a loser to me. And he proves the point that Nascar helps teams out. Let me get this straight, he leaves a proven team with resources, money & sponsorship for a team that didn't exist last year, that put together his deal in like 6 months w/ Chevrolet and almost won Daytona for the first time. If that had happened, you could add that to the other against all odds that I posted earlier. Come on people, you don't believe that Martins team is that much better or is he a better driver than the last 20 years?
Everybody is entitled to thier oppinion, mine is the same as Tony Stewart's. Ouch, that hurt to say that!:) |
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Why is it when Roush was dominating a couple years back like mentioned before, I didn't hear anyone say that NASCAR was playing favorites. Now that the Hendrick organization is doing the exact same thing 2 years later, people are saying that NASCAR is playing favorites with the Hendricks team. Yes money does drive this sport. I won't argue with that. BUT, when it was mentioned about Martin doing so well this year, you have to remember, they did a lot of changes on the team as well. They moved people around and it is basically a completly different team then it was last year. You see that alot in that the Roush camp. A couple of teams might be struggling pretty bad. They move a few people around or change crew chiefs an BAM, that team is kicking butt again. So in other words, you really say it is strictly the money that wins races cause there are some pretty well financed teams not doing so hot. Take Ryan Newman for instance, Penske has plenty of cash and Newman has a great sponsor, yet he is not been doing to well the last couple of years.
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What really sucks is that I missed the entire race this weekend.:grr:
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ASSCAR has stuck it up Jack Roush's rear end since day 1.
Remember who the REAL 90 champion was supposed to be. They used to kiss Ironhead's rear end, now they kiss the convicted felon's. (Hendrick) |
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I thought about the Roush 'domination' as it was mentioned earlier in the thread. Roush, nor any of the non-Chevy teams, has been anything close to dominant. If you recall one of the most controversial championships was when a Roush driver won it all, but with only one victory on the season. They were consistent but not dominant. Suddenly the format changed and we get the 'Chase'.
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I used to say the same thing --- then the same guys that talked to Tony Stewart came to talk to me. :eek: Be careful guys, they will send someone to whack ya. :bigeyes: |
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You are right, every time Roush or a Ford starts to win consistently, historically Nascar has changed rules, format or both. Ask Bill Elliott about how Nascar instituted rules that only applied to him after all the changes to Ford cars did not slow him down. Or how we have to change the format because a driver can't win only one race and win the championship. Or how we need to look at the Chase as there must be something wrong when one owner can get 5 cars out of the top 10 (remember that owners can only have so many cars or the Roush rule).
There is no secret why Toyota has been allowed to enter Nascar. They are the number 2, soon to be number 1 Auto Manufacturer in the world. Watch how fast Dodge & Ford get passed by the Toyota cars once COT is fully in gear. It won't happen this year, but give it time. Look at this thread next year at this time & see if the worm is turning. GM had better get used to the idea that they will become second dog in Nascar, cause money talks and less money is not acceptable to Nascar. Sorry, I mean Nacar cause their won't be Stock in COT. Sorry again about the rant. I am harboring some very hard feelings about what Nascar has become & I am getting help for it......NHRA drag racing!!:tongue: |
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It's funny that the 'old' Chase format was for 10 cars. Not that Stewart didn't even make that, but had a great run in the last part of the season it's magically become 12 cars. I guess Tony forgot about that part when he was slamming NASCAR for its morphing of the rules. (Stewart was 11th last season when the Chase started)
I'm thinking about defecting to the Grand Am series or something that somehow actually does replicate the old Trans Am series. Something that approximates actual stock cars on a track. What a concept... :borg: |
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...oh yeah, Kurt Busch from ROUSH RACING. I've learned a lot from you Falcon over the last few years, but what you posted above is wrong and just plain silly. Jimmy Johnson has been great over the last few years, but the rest of Hendrick's teams have had their struggles. Now, the whole organization seems to be firing on all cylinders, much like Roush was a couple years back, but it's still early in the season and they have a long way to go. Teams surge, and if they're properly managed, they can have a 2-5 year stretch where they can always be in the headlines (in a positive way Tony Stewart), week after week, year after year. That seems to be consistent in most sports. The Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, New Jersey Devils, Chicago Bulls, LA Lakers, New York Yankees, St. Louis Cardinals. That's just the nature of sports. I think the problem with Roush Racing is that they have a stable of really good drivers, but not great drivers. Then again, maybe contests and reality shows aren't the best way to pick your next driver. |
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Glad you've read and enjoyed some of me few postings, buy wrong and silly? I think not. Roush didn't have near the victories in races that Hendricks, DEI, Gibbs or any of the other teams had that year, but won a champoinship anyway. Despite NASCARs best efforts to the contrary. So, we get the Chase. Roush gets mutiple cars in the Chase? Quick, cut the amount of teams any one owner can have! It's interersting that not only is Chevy dominant with the COT, but also (and this has only been quietly mentioned so far) their new engine package is seemingly putting them at the front as well in the old cars. NASCAR has been very slow to react to this, whereas when Awsome Bill was running with the new design Ford heads on his car, which did trickle down to the other Ford teams, got them spoiler changes really quick. NASCAR can't change the actual oucome of a race (or can they?), but they can 'guide' the rules to a favorable outcome which favors their desired outcome. (e.i., They can give JJ or Gordon bigger restrictor plate openings, but they can't stop a Turn 4 melee which takes out one or more or the golden children) The Roush driver I was refering to was not Kurt Bush, but Matt Kenseth. Kurt had 3 victories in his championship season in 2004, whereas Matt only had ONE victory, held the top spot in the rankings from the fourth race on and had to use 7 provisionals to make his dream season happen in 2003 He was consistent, not dominant. If you want wrong and silly, check your facts.
I do understand the ebb and flow of sports, and this is a sport. I remember the domination of the Miami Dolphins, the Dallas Cowboys, and the S.F 49ers, but now we live in a world where the hot team is...(dare I say it?) the New Orleans Saints! And everyone's concerned about global warming... :borg: |
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Keep in mind that Jack Roush is still the only car owner who has had points taken away after winning a race...which ended up being more than the margin that the championship was handed to Dale Earnhardt. The point is that NASCAR has never been happy about Roush being involved and has done everything they can to push him away. He just happens to be a stubborn, old man with enough money to push back. Unfortunately, NASCAR makes up the rules that he was to play by. If Mark Martin had driven for any other team, he would have had several championships. |
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I agree with a great deal of what you said, except now Sadler is now a Dodge driver, having jumped ship from Yates (another little discussed ford team who's managed to qualify well this year, but underperformed otherwise) in a swirl of turmoil last year. I really did like his personality and was nothing like so many of the other cookie cutter driver personalities. I won't go on record to say that there isn't talent in the GM pits, both behind the wheel and behind the wall. But Earnhardt had often been the recipient of bad luck as well as bad management and other behind the scenes skirmishes within the company that bears his dads name. Can you imagine Jr. driving with Martins team? That would not only overshadow whatever domination that Hendrick has had, but could actually create a two car team that might actually be dominant on talent alone.
Kurt got booed when he won his championship so badly, that I don't even think Gordon could have dealt wiht that much negativity. Matt has been a great driver, consistent, but not the personality that the NASCAR powers want on the headlines. The only Ford driver that could possibly be capable of that is Mr. Backflip, Carl Edwards. With his personality on TV and his signature 'move' after a victory, if he never wins a champoinship he will still be remembered much longer than those that actually have. On a slightly different and more somber note, my dad picked me up a NASCAR book. It's an older book and highlights driver up to the late '90's. To look through it and see the number of drivers who are no longer around is staggering. I applaud the efforts of NASCARs efforts to protect the drivers and fans, but to see those who are no longer with us reminds me that this is still a dangerous sport. :borg: |
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He is a 4 time ASA champion (3 consecutive) and 5 time IROC champion. He also has more Busch series victories than any other driver. I guess he just happens to be in the lead a lot. |
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Will GM Bought out Nascar 23 years because of new T Bird back in 84 it faster then GM cars, Ford always have better race cars GM Still can't handle it, so GM still payoff Nascar to win.
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Here's a question that I'm going to throw out to many of you Dale Earnhardt Jr. fans.(and yes, I do like him).
Now that Junior has made it official that he's going to be leaving DEI at the end of the year, how many of you will no longer be fans of his if he was to join the Hendricks stable? That is a possibility,especially if they let Mears go to make room for him. He may even start his own team and use Hedricks motors and engineering. Hmmm. However, If he doesn't do either of these and still a very possible scenario would be for him to join the Childress team. How awesome would that be to see him in the #3 car on that team. |
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He is a better and CLEANER driver than his old man ever was.
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I kinda have mixed emotions. As much as I miss the #3 car, I realize that Junior is not his old man.
It would be cool to have an Earnhardt back at the wheel of an RCR #3 Chevy, black or red, doesn't really matter, but I think the novelty would wear thin pretty quick if Junior didn't have success in the car right out of the box. It's funny, but I wear some GM Goodwrench and Bud shirts from time to time, and people keep asking me why I drive Fords but wear GM shirts, and I just tell 'em, because I rooted for the Man, not the car. Dale Earnhardt could have showed up driving a John Deere for all I care, and I still would have been a fan of his. |
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I still have Bud and Coors light T shirts and jackets from the Elliott days.
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Im still going to be a Jr Fan, no matter where he goes.
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