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I didn't say he wasn't good, just not the best ever.

I read a pretty good book about Curtis Turner recently, called "Full Throttle" by Robert Edelstein. He was a heck of a racer who made the mistake of crossing Big Bill France. Recommended reading.

I didn't miss that all the drivers participated in more races then, but a few of his contemporaries had a higher winning percentage than Petty during that period.

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More important Ford won 500 not Chevy.

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:agree:

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:agree: +1

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The year of Black and Gold STEELERS now Matt #17:smokin: :claus:

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It's neat they won but better news that they were actually running well. I don't think Jack will get his wish that it will sell cars this week. You can't get cars anything like the racers in the showroom anymore. :crazy:

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Most importantly, a Toyota (engine) didn't win. These cars all look alike with the only differenitation being the purpose built engines, and decals denoting headlamps, tail-lamps, and manufacturer.

It's a spec series that's over-regulated and bascially a joke.

Can wait to see showroom stock Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers take to the track in the near future.

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I read an article comparing people like Jimmie Johnson to Richard Petty. They say that Jimmie could be even better (competitive wise)then Petty. Before you jump the gun, they did make 1 good point on which I agree with. Back when Petty was wining all of his races, there were only a handful (under 10) teams that actully were competitive enough to even win a race. Therefore, his chances of winning were much greater then any driver has nowadays. If Petty raced in NASCAR now instead of back then, He would be no where close to 200 wins. He might have 50. Now I'm not saying that Petty wasn't any good cause he was, it's just not fair to compare how many wins and championships a driver had back then compared to the drivers and teams racing now.

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A good read about Dale Jr.

Cover your ears Junior Nation, the myth that is Dale Earnhardt Jr. is about to be exposed as just that - a myth.

It’s about time the vast legions of Earnhardt fans finally wake up and realize that being NASCAR’s most popular driver does not equal being the best. Or even worth being mentioned in the same breath as the best.

The only thing Earnhardt leads the field in is merchandise sales. He most certainly does not win on the track, as his one victory (thanks to fuel mileage at Michigan last season) over the past 99 races can attest.

For those keeping score, NASCAR’s favorite son has a mere three wins since 2004.

Maybe the pressure of living up to his father’s legacy is becoming too much for Junior to bear.

Or maybe the weight of all the expectations heaped upon his shoulders to finally break through and win a championship has finally cracked him at the ripe old age of 34.

One thing is for sure - Earnhardt certainly is not improving with age.

Despite vastly upgrading his equipment by leaving his daddy’s team to become a member of the Hendrick Motorsports juggernaut, Earnhardt continues to spin his wheels.

Sunday’s season-opening Daytona 500 was supposed to be Earnhardt’s time to shine. This was supposed to be the year he finally focused and got down to business of being a serious title contender in Season Two with Hendrick.

Instead Earnhardt made news at the “Great American Race” for all the wrong reasons.

Let’s be real folks, before we can tout the Golden Boy as a contender for the Sprint Cup, first he needs to master the all-too important art of pitting.

During Thursday’s second Gatorade Duel, Earnhardt slid through his pit stall on two separate occasions, costing him valuable spots on the track.

One would think that flaw would have been corrected in time for the most important race of the season.

Not even close.

Earnhardt completely missed his pit box on lap 57 - he drove right past it - and had to complete a full circuit before pitting again. That little snafu dropped him from third to 36th.

Almost comically, Earnhardt again had trouble in the pits on lap 121. This time his right-front tire was on the line while his team worked on the car, and he was penalized one lap.

“We had a pit stop where I was told the right-front tire was only an inch over the line,” Earnhardt said. “I was held a lap for that and I don’t feel like that was a fair trade. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate that rule.”

Listen up NASCAR - your favorite son wants the rules fixed. Maybe all the rules could be changed in Junior’s favor if it means getting him closer to being a champion.

Perhaps overly amped up over his second embarrassment on pit road, Earnhardt took matters into his own hands on the track. A lap down because of his lack of pitting ability, Earnhardt touched off the biggest wreck of the race.

On lap 124, Earnhardt got a run on Brian Vickers on the inside lane near the front of the pack, but Vickers blocked Earnhardt’s car down below the yellow out-of-bounds line.

That was all on Vickers. How dare he not simply move aside and let royalty pass?

When Earnhardt came back above the yellow line, he clipped - purposely or not, depending on whether you are a member of Junior Nation - the left-rear corner of Vickers’ Toyota, setting off a 10-car crash.

Forget all the talk off NASCAR potentially penalizing Earnhardt for rough driving, like when they sat Jason Leffler for five laps after wrecking Steven Wallace during Saturday’s Nationwide race.

You would get better odds of Earnhardt making a clean pit stop over NASCAR slapping its first son on the wrist.

Of course, Earnhardt, like the coddled superstar he is, pointed the blame everywhere else but him.

“Penalize me? For what? I got run into and sent below the line,” said Earnhardt, who wound up 27th. “I don’t want to go down there, I didn’t aim to go down there, I got sent down there.”

When told Vickers blamed him for the wreck, Junior lashed out.

“Tell Vickers if he wants to meet me in the garage to get his (butt) beat, I’m willing,” Earnhardt told his crew via radio during a caution period he caused.

The beatdown never took place.

Too bad for Junior Nation. That might have been the only chance to see their beloved driver beat anybody this year

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I never liked Sr.
There should be a penalty for blocking on the restricted tracks.
The whole reason for the yellow line rule,
is because of Jeff Gordon passing Rusty Wallace (leading) BELOW the line,
and Rusty had to back off
or Gordon would have crashed into Ricky Rudd,
who was limping out of the pits from an earlier wreck.
It cost Rusty the race.
In reality, it was Bush's fault.

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Not if he fights like he drives.

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You can make the stats say whatever you want, he still has 200 undisputed wins. Reference the 10 teams back in the day theory - all of the points races in the 2008 season were split between 6 teams.

Roush
Gibbs
RCR
Hendrick
Penske
Evernham/whoever

I'm no Petty fan but the guy is tough as chicken lips. Imagine driving those nearly STOCK cars with bias ply tires, before inner liners, and with no power steering. Think about how dangerous it was racing with an open-face helmet in your shirt sleeves and NO FREAKING fuel cells. Think about starting a race with over 50 cars. Try to consider for a second that relief drivers were normal business and most drivers needed o2 when they crawled out of the car.

It's also silly to think Petty always had a superior car, he did not. When it was a superior car it was because a team of redneck mechanics built a better car, not some team of engineers armed with chassis dyno's.

What's next are we going to attack the records of great drivers like Ray Hendrick, Richie Evans, and Joe Weatherly. I'm certain there had to be a Jeffy Gordon equivalent back in Richard Petty's prime and he got his butt kicked by the legends of that day. Today the cars are all out racing machines and require a technically advanced driver, perhaps Pearson and Petty would be out classed today. Or not?????

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That could all be true but he's still rich, famous, and loved by the fans. Just think of how he would be treated if he was perfect like Jeffy and Jimmie. He would be obama like and allowed to be the CEO of NASCAR while being an active driver.

He clearly overdrove the car and blew it totally in the pits trying as hard as he could to win. If I was hiring a driver that's exactly the attitude I would want. With that said, I would hire Martin, Biffle, or Burton in that order. :23:

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That's all Jr. has going for him right now. He is a good driver but he isn't really doing anything impressive like his dad did. It's just funny how Jr. Nation thinks he is the best thing for NASCAR when statistics show, he is not. All he does for NASCAR is bring in more fans and money to the sport. And that's just because of his name.

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I agree that Petty was a d@mn good driver and did more then most people could but the under 10 teams reference was not of the team owners but individual teams. For instance Roush has 5 competitive teams just by itself. I'm trying to find this article I'm talking about but it's been quite a while since I read it. I'm pretty sure it was on Jayskis.com

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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, just start the friggin' race already!!! This is the second week in a row that I go to the Nascar site to find the starting time and over 1 hour later the race finally starts. :anger:

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Let me guess, they were busy kissing Toiletta's azz. :butt: :butt:
But why are there empty seats and low ratings?

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I actually caught the last 50 laps of the Nationwide series race yesterday and when they showed the grandstands I bet their could'nt have been 5,000 fans in the entire place. I've never seen anything like that before. Was that a Cobalt that was the Pace Car yesterday? Looked ricey.

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Congrats to Matt on a second-in-a-row win!!! The Biff had an awesome car, but that bad pit stop really hurt him, and kept him from a second or third.
I do have to say that JG ran a very hard and clean race and deserved his second.

On last nights N'Wide race, the two things I'll remember most are MW ending up backwards in his pit stall and the car (I don't rmember who it was) catching serious fire later in the race. It's reminder that this is still a dangerous sport.

:borg:

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Uh-oh. They're probably gonna think about changing the points system again because Kenseth is doing too good.

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Ford won again Chevy guys starting cry again :23:

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I would like to see a clandestine agreement between owners of
AMERICAN race teams refuse to help, draft or assist the Jap teams
in any way whatsoever.
OOPS!
Clipped your front fender MR. Jap car driver!
OOPS!
I blocked in that Jap car team in the pits.
Maybe Darrel "treasonous" Waltrip will lose his Jap car azz kissing voice.

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I agree DW can't say Ford or chevy he call it a Car

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Way to go Kenseth!!! Not a bad run for his crew chief Blinkensderfer either. He's batting 1000 right now.

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Good NW race yesterday and the Cup race has been pretty exciting too. Sure wish Biff was closer to the front. :smokin:

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BigEars gets the win. Carl almost made it last to the end. :worship:

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Last to 1st and Yota geta the victory !
Hometown hero today .

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At least he won't get credit for the 43rd to 1st. I just don't like the guy because of his crappy attitude. :23:

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I was hoping Kenseth would pull off another win and put himself in the record book for winning the first 3 races. Well obviously we found out early in the race that it wasn't going to happen.

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Certianly not the ending I was hoping for, but I am certain there are some Ford engines that are now torn apart and phone calls being made due to parts failures. With Matt, Regan, and Edwards having total engine failures and Biffles engine being suspect toward the end, there is somethign seriously wrong going on. I know there were issues with the Hendrick engines last week, so somethign is amiss somewhere.

It was good to see Carroll being interviewed and featured in the small portion they did dedicate to him and his cars, but it still eats at me that they could identify the pace cars correctly.

:borg:

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Glad I missed it.

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There's still hope for us Bobby Labonte fans. Plus now he's driving a Ford!

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Bobby really showed well, but I have to give the driver of the day award to Jamie McMurray. He saved his own car (and his behind) be driving a quarter lap in drift mode...and did it well.

:borg:

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I think the Shebly GT500KR 40th Anniv Model should it won the race how many times when around the racetrack:worship:

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Shelby should at least get the bonus point for leading the most laps!

The cars that paced both races were '07 and '09 GT500 Super Snakes. These are actually privately owned cars!!! How cool would that be to have the actual cars that paced the races?!? The cars were some of the first to have the Shelby 427 packages completed on the 427 cars that it will be done on. Then there was a drawing held to see which cars would be used.

:borg:

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Does anyone have a recommendation for a good NASCAR website, as far as news and updates? I really have never been a big fan of NASCAR.com and with the overhaul, it seems to have even less news and real information other than features on the race winners. I'd like to see if I can find out what they found as far as the faulty pieces that sidelined and crippled the Roush cars.

:borg:

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Ford is sending a 2010 GT 500 Pace Car to the 45th Anniversary. It will lead the convoy to the cruise-in at Homewood, Al. An Alabama State Trooper, who is in our local club, will get to do the honors of driving it that night.

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http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm

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Thanks for the link. Someone had told me about them long ago and I just could not think of it. Very much appreciated!

:borg:

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I'm not so sure I understand this statement. I'm assuming that you are speaking as someone who dislikes these drivers instead of someone who realizes that JJ has won three championships in a row and JG has 4 championships and is one of the alltime winners in Nascar. I'd say if it were over that was one heck of a honeymoon.
I will agree with you on Dale Jr. Overrated and living off of a legends name. As for Richard Petty overrated????? You could say a lot of things about him but with 200 wins overrated. I guess you could say that because he failed to win 300.

Most of Jr. Nation are fans who cheer for him because they can't let it go that Sr. is gone. As you said, he is a good driver who brings in money for Nascar. But week in and week out he sticks his head right up his :butt: and does something stupid that cost's him track position.

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Wow, is ASSCAR still around?

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:23: I guess not.
No one has even posted anything about yesterdays race.
I do'nt care but who won?

Go to your local track and see REAL RACING.
Where finding ways to make more speed is expected not ruled out.

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When I was watching the race last week D.W. said next week was a week off, so I did'nt even bother to look for the race. I guess he meant it was a week off for Fox coverage. :24:

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His lips and :butt: were still sore from his visit to Toiletta HQ.

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With D W the Lips and:butt: are the same thing.:23:

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One thing I've noticed the past few weeks is the commentators mention Sunoco fuel alot when they come in for a pit stop. They never use to do that. Wonder what their paying them to say that.

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Believe me.. product placement is not a mistake on FOX!

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It's no mistake and it's nothing new. When I was a boy :23: Goodyear was NOT the only tire and you would have some Firestone announcers and Goodyear announcers calling the same race. It was some funny stuff. MRN took care of most of that but then they went sole source for tires, fuel, and several other things so the announcer wars ended. :23:

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What do you think of the guy running out to get the tire? Yes it was a really stupid thing to do but people keep saying that "he" ruined the race for a lot of drivers cause he brought out the caution. Although that may be somewhat true, I don't entirely agree with it. Wouldn't the caution flag have come out anyway whether he ran out there or not?

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Yes --------------- they're just whinin :smokin: