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yea just saw it about 5-10 minutes ago....and as i type this its coming on again! hilarious!

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Yep very serious. :23::23::23:

Biff had a great day but congrats to jamieMac on a career day.

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Well, is Jamie mac impressive yet? :claus:

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And managed to bonehead his way into a top 10 finish! :smokin:

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That was a really good race. Congrats to McMurray. His new team is doing good with some big wins. He has'nt done anything for years. It makes my day when Montoya is doing well in a race and crashes and burns. :31:

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thought that was great. They sure whipped that up fast.

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That was priceless, hope it's the first of many!

:borg:

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I'm sure the people he sent to the garage feel differently...

:borg:

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he is still 11 wins behind edwards and edwards has 2 less years experience! so the answer to your question is no! look im glad the guy won...i dont hate him..but the comment about roush letting go of carl instead of jmac was just plain stupid....look at the career stats...they speak for themselves!

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Jamie has also brought way more purse money home then the two of them combined this year for his team too.
I never made that comment about roush lettng go of him. But, if he keeps up they'll let him go. And it'll be his fault.

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That's what happens in NASCAR. People spin out. It wasn't intentional or even his fault. He was in a totally new and unproven setup. Alot like the accidents Kyle has been caught up in the last 4-5 races. None of them were intentional or Kyles fault, but Kyle still got wrecked. One race Kyle wrecks Burton, Burton gets upset (understandable) and talks crap. Not even two races later Burton F's up and has to eat his words after he does the same exact same thing to Kyle. :23:

they're all going to make mistakes. Regularly. Lol

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That's always the case with whomever wins the Daytona 500. It certainly skews the figures on the winnings side of the table. He certainly has done well with his new 'situation', but it doesn't make him better than his former teammates.

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its not about who makes more money for the team its about consistent good finishes and points. Carl and Matt are both ahead of jmac in both cases. like said above....the money for the daytona 500 greatly skews it but the money isn't what we ate talking about here. we are talking wins and points.

and I was just saying that the whole reason I'm comparing the 3 is because of the comment made by G. I'm not accusing you of anything. compare careers and its obvious jmac is not the performer that some think he is. Carl and Matt may not be doing as well this year as in years past but the points standings say it all.

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First off, I don't really like my comment being called stupid. Especially in light of the fact that my boy Jamie won a huge race today with historical significance and is not on probation or $25K poorer. :23:

I really don't care that much for stats. The best driver I ever saw behind the wheel has questionable stats. He never ran a full season in one division and never became a champion of any series but has won more races than Richard Petty has Cup starts. He is a legend and most here wouldn't recognize his name.

My comment deals with potential, integrity, and the fact that the guy is not an AzzClown. I tend to like drivers that are good people in addition to skilled. Biffle, Martin, Burton, Kenseth, Sadler, Newman, Truex, and even Earnhardt score high with me. Using stats as your yardstick Jimmie Johnson would be the greatest driver on the planet. Now he is very good but who puts him that high above the herd???

If I had any doubts on whether Carl was the bad guy in these recent events they were gone when Jimmy Spencer took up for him. Most of the other drivers (active or not) have said he acted irresponsibly.

The thing is if I had a first class cup team and my choices were Brad, Jamie, or Carl ... I would have to go with Jamie to protect my equipment and trust his experience and potential. :worship: Carl wouldn't be my second choice because of that AzzClown thing he has going on.

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your boy jamie won 5 races in nearly seven years. to say that he was more of an asset than carl who has won 16 races is 5 years is in fact stupid from a business point of view. if im jack roush, i want guys racing for me that can win and win regularly. carl has proved that can happen...j-mac on the other hand did not. what he accomplished today is definately worthy of praise, but it does not make him a legend.

the problem with this is that stats are what determine ones success in this sport. someone that wins frequently or finishes well frequently, is considered better than some one that does not. that being said carl, is infact, better than j-mac...check the standings if you dont believe me. beyond stats all you have is opinions of who is a great driver..joe nemechek is a great driver, but does he accomplish anything? no..plain and simple... kirk shelmerdine, while not very successful at driving, is a hell of an engine builder and was a crew cheif to the one and only dale sr. while stats dont say much for him he is still a great racer and contributed alot to the sport.....you see stats are fact, everything else is opinion. all the guys on the track are great drivers...if they were not they would not be there to begin with. who is this mystery man you speak of?

potential to win? carl has that...16 times.....integrity? even when carl has issues with his own team mate (matt kenseth a couple years ago) he deals with it and runs the best he can. carl and keslowski are guilty of the same offences. both let emotion get ahold of them. neither of them have the integrity you speak of when it comes to rivalries. payback is part of racing...nascar wanted it and now they got it and its gonna turn nascar around. nascar is boring with out rivalry. rememebr jeff gordon and matt kenseth at martinsville? (i think thats where it happened) remember tony stewart vs everyone? remember kyle busch vs every one, rember dale sr.'s whole career? remember the 1979 daytona 500?..without those rivalries nascar would fizzle out and die. nascar wanted exactly whats happening right now. azzclown? thats a matter of opinion...i have met carl edwards and i can tell you he is a very down to earth guy....i have a family freind that works for nascar and has met many of the drivers and sees them very frequently and its amazing who she says is a complete **** and who is cool. all the guys that score high with you score the same with me. i like em all..i just root for carl. and your comment about jimmie johnson...well....lets be honest here..the man is almost unstoppable until here recently. in all honesty before his career is over he will be one of the greatest drivers we ever got to see race...right next to the rainbow warrior:eek:

im not doubting he had an error in judgment but lets be honest here, no one flips a car on purpose..thats not what he intended to happen. and you let jimmy spencer sway your confidence in a driver????really..the guy clearly lost a truck race and went straight to victory lane anyways...he has been around a while but has had 1 too many bacon cheeseburgers and it clouds his judgement as well.

wow..i would choose carl 1st because he has proven he can win and pretty consistently get in the chase. brad and jamie would be a toss up but j-mac has more experience than brad so i would go with him second...although brads gonna be a heavy hitter later in his career.

look, i dont hate any of these people but man stats speak for them selves....jeff gordon, weather you hate him or not, is one of the greatest drivers on the track today...is he winning a champion ship this year..hell to the naw....does that take away from him...hell to the naw....jmac is good but he is not in the same skill level as other drivers. its feast or famine with him and thats a hungry mother f*cker! you picking up what im laying down?

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Rapid Ray Hendrick, I've done a lot of research on early drivers and his wins are more likely over 1000! These guys would often run 4 events a week back then, many times racing Friday - Sunday and in multiple divisions.

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I know who ray is. He used to run at Hickory in the 70s. When he did he had a different number because Jack had the 11.

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In the 60s he would have been 11VA and Jack or whoever would have been 11NC. In the 70s the home driver owned the number and the visitor would pick up and "X" or leading 1 (11x or 111). My dad was 91VA which normally worked well except in Richmond (Strawberry Hill), there he was 91xVA.

It's probably harder today in LMS to sort the numbers out. Back in the 60s the Modifieds were the most popular division. I've seen Jack Ingram race a few times in the VA area but it was LMS.

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G I would like to hear some of your racing storys, I bet you have sme good ones.

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As my dad would say, "I could tell you tons of racing stories, some are even true." :23:

My dad was a racer before WWII and started back in around 48. I was 11 in 1969 and that was the age you could work/be in the pits at the tracks we went to. Back then I was tall for my age so I would just find out how old you needed to be and what birth year worked for that age. That was the age I claimed.

I remember people more than stories and some really stand out. Hendrick, Evans, Crouse, Lovelace, Hutchins, Grinnan, Dennis, Earnhardt, Ellis, Petty, Pearson, Jarrett, and many that don't pop in my head. I remember being at the very LAST "Grand National" race in November on 1970 at Langley Speedway. It was won by Bobby Allison and it marked the end of NASCAR according to many that thought "Winston Cup" racing would kill the sport. :smack:

Racing also was doomed at Langley Speedway when they paved it in 1968. I remember riding to the races listening to all the complaining about paved tracks being the devil. :crazy: They were wrong about that track anyway. It's nearly flat, turns are 6 degrees and the straights are 3 with a 4/10 around. It was nearly perfect.

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How bout that Rowdy kid!! Wooo!! Two weeks in a row for nationwide! :gears:

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Nearly forgot to mention, he didn't even go to practice for last weeks OR this weeks race. :smokin:

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How about that Elliott Sadler. I like the guy and he does well in good equipment. I've seen him and his brother race a bunch in LMS at the tracks in SE VA and NE NC. Sadler Chevrolet was a sponsor on the side of the Modified driven by Ray Hendrick. That family has been involved in racing since the late 40s I think. :worship:

I didn't catch the Iowa race. Looks like Brad gathered a few more points than that guy he was having issues with who has better stats. :23:

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brads a great racer..i have never said he isnt. that kid has a future for sure. and i have never once compared brad's stats with carl's..that was only a jmac and carl comparison.

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Much as I hate the COT it sure looked like it did a good job protecting Elliot Sadler today. That car sure as heck hit hard. :wow:

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Why do guys try bump drafting at the worst possible times. Glad to see Sadler came through it OK. What a helluvva hit to take.

Kurt seems pretty mad at JJ. :smack:

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I usually don't watch much or any of the Pocono race because it's usually a snoozer, but I did see most of it today. Yeah, that was a seriously wicked crash. It's a good thing he hit on the passenger side.

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wow what a hit! glad sadler is ok....busch was pissed but you can't blame him...once he cools down and talks to jimmie I'm sure he will be fine.

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Haha, Kurt didn't seem ready to calm down and I don't blame him. NASCAR will probably calm him down as only they can do.

How about some secret fines. :smack:

http://motorsports.fanhouse.com/2010...ned-by-nascar/

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Hmmm...who'd a thunk it. Twice watching Pocono I've found a reason to be interested. Once to see Sadler's crash replay and now in anticipation of the red flag restart! Whoever wins this needs to fly to Vegas tonight!

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glad to see a roush Ford in victory lane! go Biffle!

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There should be more vids soon????

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The Biff for the Win!!!! What??? This is the right Biff isn't it? http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/4/40...-09-420-75.jpg

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McFly, McFly!!! Wrong 'Biff'...

Glad to see Biffle win one for Jack, hopefully this is the turn of the corner the Fords so badly needed.

:borg:

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Hopefully

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this week i picked sam jr for my fastasy pick, he normally does decent at this trk. im trying to save the top drivers till the end of the yr. anyways he was running 30th place allday so went to mow the lawn. i come back into house and hes in 1st and under rain delay. man i started to do a rain dance lol, it didnt work but still got a 11th not bad.

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I still think Jimmy Johnson is secretly a rookie, even with his championships. A driver knows you don't just ram into the driver ahead. You sneek up to the bumper and push. Johnson just can't drive in traffic, unless he's by himself. I'm fed up with Mr. Vanilla. Great run Biffle and Edwards. Come one Matt and David, make Jack proud. I know you got it in you. Since Jack Roush racing has the only teams seriously carrying on the FORD name, it is now time to turn things around! Get well Jack. :)

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Thanks for bringing up the true cause of yestedays meele, and the question begs why those who are so concerned about Edwards' actions a few weeks ago let JJ off without a peep. He coudl have done serious harm to not only Kurt (not that many would care), but to Sadler, who has been a pretty decent person amoung the NASCAR ranks regardless of whether he's going to jump from the Ford ship at the end of season.

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I was wondering the exact same thing

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JJ sucks at bump drafting and didn't intend to wreck anyone. He was sorry it happened and expressed it right after the mess. Edwards hooked the same guy twice to intentionally wreck him. He only regrets the bad press and disapproval of MOST of the drivers in all of the divisions in which he drives.

I don't really think JJ was serious about wrecking Kurt a few weeks ago. I'm not a JJ fan but he seems focused on NOT wrecking anyone, that includes his car. The situations are totally different but he might want to be careful around the blue deuce. :23:

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Very well said, G.

I have nothing further to add except I'm glad everyone walked away ok.

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JJ has gotten an apparently unspoken reputation for causing such pile ups, but no one points the finger at him while his mess is being cleaned up. JJ at least gave many what they wanted to see, an unobstructed view of the new FR9 engine...namely Sadlers, completely seperated from the car.
I doubt it'll be so quiet if Kurt decides to find retribution.

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GO get em Kurt!..Johnson that is. Even when he wrecks someone he's a BORE. YAAWN. No wonder no one made more of it. The man is plain Vanilla. Thanks Jimmy Spenser for that term, Mr. Vanilla, it fits Johnson perfectly.

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Glad see Sadler is ok after the hit the wall, does anyone know who hit Sadler put him in the wall? Jimmy going he his this weekend what Kurt said.:smokin:

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#33. Clint Boyer?

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*Bowyer

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boris said to drive vickers car at glen, im debating pickin him or robbie gordon for this weeks pick.

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my moneys on ambrose. then kb if ambrose cant do it.

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believe me i would love to pick ambrose this week i allready did got me a 11th and big ears got me a 19th. i need sleepers with 15 to go. lol

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funny is i love the road tracks, a break in the circle stuff for a min. my last pick was a no namer at infineon but could drive the wheels off a 24hr race car. Jan Magnussen pulls a 12th .everyone was like,who the hell is he..:23: