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I do not personally know even one person who wants toiletta in asscar.
I do personally know a lot of former die-hard asscar fans
who left as soon as it was polluted with foreign crap.
Look at the grandstands in the truck and Nationwide series.
See a pattern there?
Brian "the pansy" France has ruined what his family built.
It has nothing to do with the economy at all.
Football games are full.
Hockey games are full.
Race tracks are 1/2 empty,
Bristol had tickets available for the night race,
the list goes on.
I would like to see real time TV ratings when a toilet takes the lead.
I bet it drops at least 20%.
No one cares about it any more.
The pizzed off their base, let foreign crap in,
even changed the rules for the toilets to even be in there.
I want to see Ford do well, Gvt. Motors, I could not car less,
but at least it is Amercian.
I refuse to buy anything at Home Depot,
as much as I dislike JJ,
I go to Ace hardware or Lowes.
When at Lowes, I make it a point to tell them WHY I prefer their store.
Other patrons in the store have overheard my reason,
and have chimed in with a 'No shiite" comment.
I ain't the only one.
You want to see your country being filluted by crap, go ahead.
I find it absolutely sickening to her the Waltrip brothers
(Dale "turncoat" Jarrett also)
always saying how great the toilets are.
It makes me want to puke.
Jack Roush was right when he said toiletta would throw cubic dollars
into the sport and ruin it,
as they have in other motorsports.
I wish Ford, GM and Chrysler would ALL pull out.
Who would watch a bunch of toilets going around in circles,
on tv or in person.
Not many.

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France bringing in Toyota was just one more nail in the cofin. The first few nails were all the changes made to cars to level the playing field. So the Monte Carlo and Thunderbird kicked the **** out of everyone when they debuted. Big deal, Nascar should have left things work themselves out. This would have made the other manufacturers design a car that would compete. Instead they just complain about how unfair it is that they are getting their butts handed to them until Nascar changes the rules. Sound familiar?

The COT is a joke. The only way I can tell the cars apart is the decals.

The chase is a joke. You work all year to build a points lead and its gone just like that.

Mandating gears and springs is a joke. Let the teams pick what gearing and spring rates they want to run.

The one that really pushed me away was the crap with qualifying. Sorry you earn your place in the field every week. Right now the top 35 in points have an extra pratice session while the remaining teams (typically smaller teams) have to fight for the last few open spots.

Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs, and Childress have done they fair share of pushing peolpe away as well. They have basically made it impossible for a one car team to compete week to week. If you don't root for one of their driver's, odds are your driver isn't going to win.

While watching the F1 qualifying and race over the weekend I got to thinking about the technology side of racing and how that technology makes it into the average car. This made me compare the technology in your typical F1 car, Nascar car , and street car. The technology in Nascar is outdated and inrelevant to today's street cars. I'd guess this makes it boring to the younger crowd as they don't even know or care what a carb and distributor are.

I'd say the economy is playing a role is Nascar's decline as well. People are having to choosee between the $100+ race and the $100+ football game. They are choosing the football becasue it is more entertaining to watch in person. I've been to quite a few Nascar races over the years. Even with the headset I got bored as **** during the middle of the race when it was follow the leader. I've never fallen asleep during any other live sporting event, just a Nascar race.

While I do not like Toyota for various reasons, they do force the other manufacturer's to bring their A game. They dominate almost every racing series they are in. This is not a fluke. They spend the money necessary to win. They have the desire and drive to win and you can't fault them for that. It's time for Ford, GM, and Chrysler to step up to the plate and build an engine that can compete for all the teams that use them not just the huge multi-car teams.

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While I'm not a yota fan, the following has nothing to do with ONLY American cars.


The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR)


The reason so few non US made cars were raced even in the early days is because that's all the racers could afford and it was not cost effective to run a British car for example. When my dad started racing the top class was the modified division. They raced stock, sportsman, convertible, and some local classes in addition to the modifieds. There were very few imports back in the day and most were totally unsuitable for nascar racing.

The REAL problem is there are no stock cars racing. The Cup series has become the "restricted spec modified" series, NW is the old "sportsman" series, and the modifieds are still around in a "spec format". They need to ditch the Cup series and find a way to run stock cars again. Let ALL the cars sold in the US run based on a minimum number sold. Let them run DOHC, FI, IRS, or whatever they really come from the factory with.

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Me personnly, I don't care what they drive cause how much of lets say, Carl Edwards car is actually Ford? Not much. It's basically just a sponsor in todays NASCAR.

There was also a comment made about tickets being available for the Bristol night race. If you noticed, they were still sold out AFTER Toyota was in NASCAR. The sales for Bristol went down when they re-did the track and and made it a boring 2 lane track.

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Who makes the FR9 engine?
Certainly not toiletta


True to a point.
Once people realized how stupid the COT looked with the ricer wing,
and fans realized how much of the farm Brian "the pansy" France gave away,
people stopped watching, attending and caring.
Dumping the ricer wing hasn't helped,
and the toilets are still there.

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I didn't say none of the car is Ford, there is some Ford parts and engineering on them. The Engine is probably the only part that has anything to do with Ford. Even the FR9 engine isn't entirely Ford's idea. Roush and Yates had lot to do with it too.

Now I'm saying you are doing this but just in general, I hate it when people compare the cars in NASCAR to the cars you can buy off the dealerships. There is basically nothing the same between them except the name.

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That's why we gave up our Dover tickets. It went from the Monster Mile to a snooze fest.

They ruined Pocono when they added the infield grandstands and really limited how much of the track you can see from the front stretch. You see a flash when they go by, a little in turn 1, distant view going into the tunnel turn, then not again until they are coming through turn three, and you lose sight until they flash by again.

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The Charger would be the closest as it is rearwheel drive and can be bought with a V8.

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Last race of the year, looks like Carl win again,

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Now there's a reason to watch this weekends race! The 2012 Boss 302 will pace the race! Woo-hoo!
http://www.stangtv.com/news/2012-bos...race-for-2010/

:borg:

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How about that last truck race boys!!!!!!! Sauter wrecks #18 and he comes back from 22nd with a broken truck and STILL wins!! That, gentlemen, is what being the best looks like!!! :gears: :gears:

Congrats to him for getting the owners championship wrapped up and in the very first year. Incredible! 16 starts and 8 wins this season with a brand new team....INSANITY!! Congrats Kyle Busch! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!

:gears:

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So, you trading the Mach in on a Camry next week?

I'm really torn on who to root against in the Cup race. None of the three who can take the championship are anywhere in my list of favorites, so I guess I to decide who I can't stand the least. Probably wouln't even watch if the Boss weren't pacing the darn thing.

:borg:

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I've been over this already, but I'll do it one more time. Just for you! I like KB, whether he drives a Toyota, dodge, chevy or Ford. It just so happens he picked a winning team that's funded with Toyota money. Which, honestly, I don't see whats wrong with that. Toyotas are made in this country and provide jobs for americans. Whether or not a select few people can comprehend this or not isn't my problem.

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The bottom line is a large % of the money goes to Japan and is not taxed which does not help our tax base.

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It's called GLOBAL ECONOMICS. It's necessary! Go to college and learn! :smack:

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This happens with a lot more companies than just Toyota. You might be shocked to find out how few large corporations are still american owned. It's a lot less than you think.

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No big deal...at least not for me. I didn't like him when he drove Chevy's, I probably would like him if he drove Dodges, and I'm pretty certain I still wouldn't be able to stomach him if he drove Fords. The fact that he drives Toyotas now just makes it easier for me to like him that much.

Cool Race Red Boss pacing the N'Wide race today.

:borg:

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And another win tonight! :gears:

Let's see...another win, another record broken (which he already held), another championship and another chance at "The Triple". What a weekend for KB and his supporters! :gears:

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Thank god you didn't say trifecta...

:borg:

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Is there a race today? I woke up really late from celebrating the Kyle Bush wins. :23:

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Winning-est driver in NASCAR's top 3 series. By a longshot.:smokin:

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HE'S ON FIRE!!!! literally!

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What an enjoyable BBQ.

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Harvick...he does this time and time again to people he has to race against later down the road. That's makes about a dozen different times this year.


Oh well. Denny is on his own now.

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No matter how hard they tried, ASSCAR could not make a toilet win the championship.
Edwards wins!!!

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Harvick can't stand the #18 beating his truck team's azz. Beating his nationwide car and then being better in Sprint too. 2-face is the nice way of describing that guy. Props to KB for keeping his cool in that interview!

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Yet even more reason today to stop watching.....


5 Time champion.... YAWNNNNN..........


I stand by my comment that the 48 team is BAD for NASCAR and I seriously doubt I will watch a single race next year. I know I will not go to a race....

Besides, my interest have shifted towards NHRA!!

As for KBTake nearly anyone in a top tier league and place them in lower leagues and sure you are going to look like the man.. I guess KB just needs his EGO stroked so he competes with the up and comers. He is still a Pee Wee Herman looking, baby face, cry my azz off, everyone else needs to learn how to drive piece krap in my book.

Talented, sure, but still an azz!

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It wasn't exciting seeing #48 win again...but I'm jus glad Harvick lost. AGAIN. LMFAO. Poor bastard can't win for shiit!

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http://www.talk-sports.net/nascar/sucks.aspx/Kyle_Busch

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...aahaaahaaa.jpg

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You even belong to a "hater forum"?! LMAO :loser:

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Harvick was robbed. I don't think he was speeding, NASCAR just loves JJ.

I don't know why people can't acknowledge KB is the greatest driver ever, just ask him, he will tell you.

I didn't find the race today boring. It had some drama. :23:

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:agree:
Good thing KB was wearing his nomex diaper, he needed it today.
(burned dingleberry pie otherwise)
I even asked the GF where the marshmallows were!
Eventually, unnamed morons who drive (Like the 18)
will figure out you don't mess with Harvick.
I don't like the guy, but I have no issue with his driving today.
In the old days, Jeffy G. figured out that you don't mess with Rusty.
Hopefully, Yates/Roush have figured out the FR9,
it sure seems like they have.

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He must be pretty important...it's all anyone around here talks about.

I find it strange how birdman "hates asscar" so much, but he's always watching it. Every race. Makes me wonder why he's putting up that "front".

Also makes me wonder why he pretends to hate KB so much, but all he does is talk abou him. That's what the young girls did when I was in grade/middle school. They talked about and "picked on" the guys they secretly liked. Birdman needs to come outta the closet already. :23:

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Sure glad I didn't waste my time watching it. I actually got to cross some things off my to do list. With JJ winning again I guess I'll have even more time on Sundays next year. I'm sorry but there is something up with that team and it ain't good. There's too many other great teams and drivers for them to be that good.

As blown03Mach1 said, I find the NHRA to be alot more fun to watch, they don't play favorites like Nascar does with JJ and had done with JG. Maybe it's just a love a fair with Hendrick.

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Cool...BBQ M&Ms!

Congrats to JJ and his Chad & Co. on another boring season and championship.

Actual congrats to Carl on winning the race, and I just wish this newfound power and confidence had shown up sooner.

:borg:

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Yeah, I was flipping through the channels and saw Carl was leading.
Then it is worth watching.
If a toilet is leading, flip to Fox News or History channel.
When the BBQ happened, woo hoo!
Jeffy blows up! Yee Haa!!
Carl wins. Cool!
Pretty good day for Ford and AMERICAN auto companies.
Almost time for that Alaska program.

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M&M's melt in your car, not in your hands. This is the first time I have commented on the NASCAR thread,Kyle Busch is very talented. He also is a Cry Baby and a imature Jerk. And as far as 311-420 statement about global economics, when other countries open their markets on the same level that we do here I will call it global.

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Whether people want to admit it or not, Jimmie Johnson and the 48 team have to be one of the best teams in NASCAR EVER!! Yeah you have people like Dale Sr. and Richard Petty that have more championships but that was how long ago. Back when they were dominating NASCAR, there was MAYBE 10teams that were even considered competitive every week. Back then, there wasn't so many rules so whoever had the most money, wins the most. The competition nowadays is MUCH MUCH MUCH higher then it was back then and to have 5 championships in a row is just unheard of. In other words, if Richard Petty and Dale Sr. were racing in todays NASCAR, they would not be as dominating as they were back then. You gotta give credit where credit is due and the 48 teams deserves a lot of credit for what they have accomplished.

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I agree.

Whoever thinks these races/championships are "staged" needs to wake up. They're earned, not given. Congrats to JJ and the whole #48 team.

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:23:
Sig material

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Sorry, but back in the day or just 10 years ago when there was no chase it took a complete driver to win. Now all you have to do is qualify for the chase and be good at 10 tracks.... Why not just make the season 10 races long?

Sorry to say it, but I used to LOVE NASCAR, but once they changed to the chase format that suits a driver who can do well at the last 10 tracks, they lost me and judging by the falling tickets sales, I am not the only one.... NASCAR needs to either flush the chase or rotate the final 10 races each season (yeah I know Northern tracks do not do well in November) to include a road race.

Sad, very sad..

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It started going a bit downhill after 212.809,
then when the toilets flushed in, phooey!

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You are comparing apples and oranges. JJ drives in the "nothing close to stock" car era of super teams with multi car operations with a warehouse full of spares. Back in the day they ran stock cars on pavement, dirt, and even sand. Power steering wasn't something you could lose back then and fights actually caused bleeding. It was a different world and as much as you think Petty, Pearson, Weatherly, and Roberts might not make it today ... there's more of a chance that JJ would have been just a footnote if he raced back then.

I give JJ credit for what he has accomplished but there is NO way to compare the drivers from different periods.

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An excellent point. I'd like ot see a run down of who would have won the points championship since the chase started has it not been restuctured into the 10 race playoff. I suspect we would not be seeing the same results, by a long shot.

I guess now that we've had the 'drive for five', we'll see the 'slumming for six' next year?

:borg:

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Very good post. I do notice also during races, when JJ has issues like other drivers have, his seem to come when they have time to fix them and not lose many points. He's okay. He just reminds me of a BLAND box of cereal. The outside may be interesting, but whats inside is BORING. Congrats Mr. Vanilla...YAWNNN, you won another Chammmpi......SNORE. I'm sorry did I just doze off? GOOOO Carl, I love the way you flip, and go RIGHT into the stands. Let's see a lot more of that next season, PLEASE?

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I know KB would have won one in the old format. I say lose the Chase and reduce the number of points that can be earned in a single race.

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IIRC In his first three Jeff Gordon would have had the first one and Carl Edwards the third. JJ still would have won his 2nd one.

There is no doubt that JJ is the best at the last 10 races. Beyond that I'm not so sure. The crappy point system screws up any real play-off nature to the chase. While you can't have one on one eliminations like the NFL non chase drivers should not steal points from chase drivers. My suggestion would be something like the F1 points system for the chase drivers only. That way if some *** clown takes you out there is a chance to recover. the current system is way to easy to loose points and next to impossible to make them up.

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In a way, yes I am comparing apples to oranges but the point I'm trying to make is back then, you only had a handful of cars that even had a chance to win at any given weekend as compared to now you have at least 20 cars that could win at any given weekend. If there were that many competitive cars back then, I would pretty much guarantee that Dale Sr. and Richard Petty would not have 7 championships.

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The reason they won so much is because they had the best cars/teams. That aspect of Nascar no longer exists. There's a reason the Daytona Chargers and Hemi engies were banned. Back then you could have never gotten away with running in the middle of the pack until the last 20 laps and then just march your way to the front and finish in the top five.

My dis-like for the 48 team stems from their adjustable rear window. The fact that they were willing to do that makes me think what else has been done to the car that the Nascar techs have either missed or ignored.

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All down hill

after Awesome Bill.