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It was labor unions and the government that had to step in and mandate how the US worker would be treated. Most manufacturing companies didn't do it out us the goodness of their own heart and it wasn't until the 70's that we started caring about air quality. If companies were really concerned about worker safety and health we wouldn't need OHSA or MHSA. Big business only cares about the bottom line, PROFIT. I have no pity for a company that pockets or wastes all the money rather than re-investing it and then gets stomped by the company that continued to develop its products, processes, and returned some of that money to the workers so they do a better job and care about the product they make. I can't stand jobs going over seas but I refuse to P*** my money away to buy a product I know is inferior, which by the way 9 out of 10 times an American made product is not even an option. |
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Since you're bringing up things from 100 years ago,
why not bring up slavery too? Things change. The Japs have copied everything the Americans do, with the exception of winning wars. They have not had an original thought once. They steal others' ideas and gullible people think they are better. NOT! |
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The reason I liked him is the reason Kyle has grown on me, attitude. If I was a driver I would be the same way. I think Busch gets a bad wrap but he seems like a good guy. He drives tons of short track charity races for nothing and has even drove truck races for free. Time will tell though as usally it always ends up being about the $$$. |
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Ok it is time for bristol Iam taking Carl 99#
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Kyle is just like Dale Sr. :confused: :confused: You don't seem to know much about Ralph Earnhardt's son. :23: http://www.earnhardtnation.com/ralph_earnhardt.html He WAS more like his dad than you can imagine. My dad was a racer with Ralph and has on more than one occasion bought food for Ralph and Dale at the track. I remember camping with them in the early to mid 60's at Darlington, it was a struggle for everyone to afford those trips. To compare Dale to shrub is nuts in everyway way except the "winning" thing. Go to Wal-Mart and spend $13 on the tin full of "Dale" DVD's. If anything, it paints a pretty picture of his early life. Let's see every crew come out to give congrats to shrub (or anyone else) winning the Daytona 500!!!! It ain't gonna happen and there was good reason for it. Keep in mind, I'm not even an Earnhardt fan. :23: Why was Big E great: 17th with 4 laps to go and he pulls off the win. Check out the vid, I saw it in person and it was remarkable. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0TR607FDog0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0TR607FDog0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> |
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I think the penalties were a bit soft.
They should have taken more points away. Oil cap falls off, 100 point deduction. Intentionally placing parts to mess with ASSCAR's data, 150? Should have been 500. Fine should have been 500 grand. That would get the cheaters' attention. Gee, ya think the Toilettas will get booed at Bristol? |
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Booed? I'd be more surprised if they don't get shot at!
The 'indefinite' suspension of the crew chiefs is probably the best attention getter. I don't think the $ is ever the part of the penalty that hurts the overall group. I also thing the points fine could have been bigger (that will impact them monitarily more at the end of the season), and I wish the actual teams would have been suspended from racing for at least one race. :borg: |
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I agree that by Nascar's rules hiding your true HP is cheating and they should be punished but which is worse? Hiding the HP level of a legal car or running a car that you know is illegal. I have yet to hear Nascar say the cars dynoed to high without the magnets. As stated before I am not a Toyota fan and can't stand them being in Nascar but the penalties should fit the crime. Hey G, the only reason Dale Sr got so much admiration after winning the 500 is because it took him so long to do it. I'd wager to say the same admiration would be shown to any driver that goes that long before winning it. |
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Hiding the horsepower of a legal car????? Too much horsepower makes the car illegal so hiding horsepower and legal car do not go together. And as you said the same penalty for a guy who tries to cheat as opposed to a team that did cheat the entire season... |
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History will show that Jack Roush was right.
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There is only one difference between a guy who gets caught trying to cheat and one who is found to have been cheating and that is timing. |
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ASSCAR gave away the farm trying to get Toiletta into the series. All that ASSCAR did was perpetuate their own eventual failure. |
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I'm not going to say that Toyota was cheating. They were given a huge upper hand by Nascar by allowing them to use modern tech while forcing Chevy and Ford to use the old tech they already had. However, it is infutible that Kyle Busch and his team were cheating. They were caught and was pathetic with trying to cover it up. They knew those cars exceeded the reduction in hp that Nascar mandated. A very good driver he is, but a Busch league(pun intended) action he and his team committed. |
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All this bickering is about Toyota but I would bet that there is a lot of cheating going on with all the makes. The thing is, they just never got caught yet.
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Toyota wasn't cheating by making big HP numbers, they were just making more power than NASCAR thought prudent for a race where cars are supposed to have parity. Toyota chose to try to fake their test numbers by modifying the pedals with magnets so that they would get told by NASCAR what changes to make, but still secretly make more power than they were suposed to. That's the error in their ways, and that's when they cheated. They still should have gotten slapped down harder for that.
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This recent episode by the "esteemed" Joe Gibbs and his racing team was one of the worst episodes of cheating in recent years in my opinion. Along with Mikey Waltrip and his Toyota team last year. |
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