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04-17-2011, 10:30 PM | #1 |
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Kicking Off another Mach 1 Motor Build
Last week, I was surprised to find out the dieseling sound in my Mach was caused by 4 spun rod bearings. The surprise really wasn't the spun bearings, but that 4 spun bearings didn't make a lot more noise - I only heard a low dieseling noise very briefly at start up, and when driving about 2200-2300 RPMs. Anyway, I’m definitely into a motor rebuild.
I have decided that I am not adding a supercharger or a turbo, and I do not want to get into upgrading the fuel system. But, I am going to build the new bottom end strong enough to handle anything I throw at it in the future. I’m still trying to decide how much power to shoot for, but since my Mach1 is more of a daily driver and an occassional road course car, I know I'm looking for the low end torque instead of a peak HP number. After talking/PMing/emailing several people, this is where I am heading... Block:
I am going to keep the Zex 100 shot, the 3.90:1 gears and the Borla Stinger Cat Back. The MRT Catted H-Pipe will probably need some modification to fit with the headers. I have a local engine builder all ready to go. And the head work will likely be done by John at Modular Performance. So, what am I missing?????
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04-18-2011, 12:04 AM | #2 |
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Re: Kicking Off another Mach 1 Motor Build
I beam rods, ARP head studs...Id do flat tops 10.5 compression
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04-18-2011, 10:33 AM | #3 |
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I beam rods are not neccessary unless your going for more than 1000 hp. they are overkill.
Get manley H beam with ARP 2000 Rod Bolts. Don't buy off brand rods. You get what you pay for. I have Manley H Beam Rods with ARP 2000 and they are great for what I need.
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04-18-2011, 10:46 AM | #4 |
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TSS oil pump
3V windage tray Oversized valves do not fit 03+ C heads unless you also install oversized seats. The stock valve seat is the same diameter as the valve so you can't go any bigger like on the 2V heads. |
04-18-2011, 11:40 AM | #5 |
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If I could go back and redo anything on my old build I would have put 96-98 cams in instead of the FR500s and used that money toward a big bore block or a stroker crank. Just some food for thought.
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04-18-2011, 02:40 PM | #6 |
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Isn't I beams typically lighter, but not as strong as H beams?
http://www.modmaxracing.com/category_s/4.htm
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04-18-2011, 03:43 PM | #7 |
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Do you have a picture of that windage tray?
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04-18-2011, 05:25 PM | #9 |
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04-18-2011, 06:27 PM | #11 |
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I beam rods wont be necessary for your goals.
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04-18-2011, 08:09 PM | #12 |
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I beam rods are made in both low and high power capable versions.
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I did a little searching on this and found the website for Triangle Speed Shop. I'm impressed (not that that takes much)... a blueprinted oil pump with tolerances within 1/2 a thou...
Yep. That's the one. Quote:
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Thanks. I think I understand the benefits, but I agree with the others, the I-Beams are overkill for me. And I think the 10.5 CR would be a little much for me. I don't need this to have max HP.
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Thanks for posting that. Just can't tell whether the Canton one would be a better choice or the factory. I KNOW the factory one fits better.
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04-19-2011, 12:14 AM | #15 |
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I would not skimp on the oil pump either. Furthermore ,I would have to at least put a new pump pick -up on a new /rebuilt block too.
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http://www.modmaxracing.com/product_p/65025059.htm http://www.probeindustries.com/Produ...Show=TechSpecs
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After doing both I prefer the 3V and so does Tymensky. Anything Tymensky prefers you really have to go with IMHO. You just have to "finess" the oil pan baffles with a BFH slightly. |
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Agreed, there are 2 "Chinese" versions, spend the extra $250 bones and get the lighter ones if you can. |
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I've put 38/32mm valves in a few sets of heads and haven't had any problems yet. However, are they worth the expense? stock valves can handle a lot of abuse and with a decent valve job and pocket work can make pretty good n/a power. The larger valves allow a little more airflow but is the small power gain worth the added expense?
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Valve reliefs are a must and will allow you to install the cams at the optimum lobe center. The reliefs will end up putting the compression ratio back to stock but without them you will make a less hp/tq.
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And since you have to modify both the Canton and the 3V, I'd have to do both to see which I prefer.
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Maybe they were doing that for fitment? Does seem odd though.
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doing what for fitment?
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Hows your oil pressure hot at idle running the mains that loose with an aluminum block?
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