Eaton swap or Procharger?? - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

dclay · 08-20-2008, 03:06 PM

I have money to add some power to the Mach 1. I was wondering what I should go with, an eaton swap or a used procharger?? Please let me know anything and everything from people who have done one or the other and how the like it.

I tried to make this a poll, but I don't know how to so please tell me which one you think I should go with.

Also I think I should note that the Mach 1 is not my daily driver. It has been rained on twice and has 22k miles. It's a 5 speed and is completely stock so let me know what to do. Thanks

ponygt65 · 08-20-2008, 03:08 PM

Here's my answer:

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=513089

Welcome aboard.

A more direct answer....P1sc. you can upgrade to a D1 cheaper than you can upgrade from an eaton to a KB/whipple (if and when you get forged).

dclay · 08-20-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ponygt65

Here's my answer:

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=513089

Welcome aboard.

A more direct answer....P1sc. you can upgrade to a D1 cheaper than you can upgrade from an eaton to a KB/whipple (if and when you get forged).

haha yea, I'm guessing a lot of the people that post on svtp are on here too.. I'm just having a hard time deciding what to go with.. One day I decide ok, I'm gunna go with a P1sc, then the next day I start thinking of how much fun it would be to do an eaton swap. I guess I'm just trying to get a consensus to help me with my decision. Thanks!

ponygt65 · 08-20-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dclay

haha yea, I'm guessing a lot of the people that post on svtp are on here too.. I'm just having a hard time deciding what to go with.. One day I decide ok, I'm gunna go with a P1sc, then the next day I start thinking of how much fun it would be to do an eaton swap. I guess I'm just trying to get a consensus to help me with my decision. Thanks!

I'm sure most eaton guys will tell you, the swap wasn't all that 'fun'......it was the results that were.

I know what you mean though. I bounced back and forth on the P1, vs. KB kit. I ran into everything for less than the Non-I/C kit and was very happy. I LOVED the sound of that ATi at idle. THe whistle is amazing.

wutang61 · 08-20-2008, 03:24 PM

eatons rock.

machgsxr · 08-20-2008, 03:28 PM

My opinion is to go with the cobra motor. You can find a used one in the 5k dollar ball park and you know it's complete for the front dress and little things, you get the forged motor while your at it and you can sell your motor to recoup some of the costs or keep it to go back to a built aluminum block.

The eaton swap was fun.....for me atleast. I enjoyed working on it and would do it again in a minute to my wifes car if she would let me.

Hmbre97 · 08-20-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by machgsxr

The eaton swap was fun.....for me atleast.

+1. I almost enjoy building them more than driving them.

sideways03 · 08-20-2008, 04:11 PM

I have a procharger, and while I love it (especially the sound at idle), I think I would go with an eaton swap if I had to do it all over again. The only reason for this is the ability to swap pullies more easily. Right now, I can't really throw some race gas in there, change my tune and put a smaller pulley on to run higher hp for the track. I would love to be able to do that. So for now, I'm just gonna have to make the most of pump gas.

Scott McClure · 08-20-2008, 07:39 PM

My Whipple setup now would walk all over the Procharger I had. Of course it makes a couple a more ponies.

ls1 killer · 08-20-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McClure

My Whipple setup now would walk all over the Procharger I had. Of course it makes a couple a more ponies.

ur procharger setup was weak..........

....pcheeser all the way

TR04MACH · 08-21-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by machgsxr

My opinion is to go with the cobra motor. You can find a used one in the 5k dollar ball park and you know it's complete for the front dress and little things, you get the forged motor while your at it and you can sell your motor to recoup some of the costs or keep it to go back to a built aluminum block.

The eaton swap was fun.....for me atleast. I enjoyed working on it and would do it again in a minute to my wifes car if she would let me.

I absolutly agree, for the price some of a good condition used cobra motor with just about all the parts and selling your stock one off you can come out so incredibly cheap. If I had the money I would've done that in a second because once you do the swap either way you want to go, you'll want more power. I love my eaton setup and it wasn't expensive at all ~1700 with everything and selling a few stock parts off. The install was fun, I learned a lot and I know if I ever need to take anything apart again I'll know exactly how to do it. I'm willing to bet like Archie said, if you could find a used cobra longblock for sale for 5k that you could probably get like 2k or more out of your mach longblock, and be up and running with a built block for 3k or less out of pocket.

ponygt65 · 08-21-2008, 11:43 AM

Welp, Guess I was wrong on the eaton swap not being fun.

I agree that swaping the motor (if possible) is the best way to do it. I personally would keep the 3650 too, just cause I like the 1-2-3 gear ratio more.

When I looked into doing that, the complete setup was $8k+, so I didn't go that route.

I do like the look of a PD blower under the shaker though.

NeverEnuff · 08-21-2008, 02:44 PM

Do we have a 'turbo' option?

ponygt65 · 08-21-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverEnuff

Do we have a 'turbo' option?

LOL....

dclay · 08-21-2008, 04:55 PM

I would love to buy a Cobra engine and all of that but I think if I was going to go through all of that trouble I would just buy a Cobra for as cheap as they are going now a days... All I'm really wanting is like 450 hp to the wheels, and then I will be satisfied. If I get the power bug and have to have more then I will just build a race car or something, but all I want now is a pretty fast street car. Anyone have a P1SC in their car?? I'm pretty sure I'm gunna go that route.. If someone does have one please let me know what you think about it... Thanks guys

sideways03 · 08-21-2008, 05:30 PM

I have a P1. See my sig for supporting mods. It is fun, but the minute I drove it, I wanted more...

WC_Racer · 08-21-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sideways04GT

I have a P1. See my sig for supporting mods. It is fun, but the minute I drove it, I wanted more...

F1SC!!

Newskool Mach · 08-21-2008, 10:54 PM

I am one of those people that batted the Eaton procharger thing back and forth for a while. I decided to go with the D1SC so I could have boosted power immediatly and have the potential for 700 HP with a forged block. I couldn't be happier with my decision. love the sound and the performance of the D1SC. You are limited in horsepower with the stock Eaton.

sideways03 · 08-22-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Newskool Mach

I am one of those people that batted the Eaton procharger thing back and forth for a while. I decided to go with the D1SC so I could have boosted power immediatly and have the potential for 700 HP with a forged block. I couldn't be happier with my decision. love the sound and the performance of the D1SC. You are limited in horsepower with the stock Eaton.

True, but in order to run more boost with the D1 you are going to have to run higher octane. And it is not easy to swap pullies on the procharger. Instead of doing an eaton with the swap, you could go straight to a whipple, easily switching between your high hp pulley w/ race gas, and a bigger pulley for pump gas. Even with the forged internals you will need higher octane gas to run high boost, at least this is what my tuner tells me...

Newskool Mach · 08-22-2008, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sideways04GT

True, but in order to run more boost with the D1 you are going to have to run higher octane. And it is not easy to swap pullies on the procharger. Instead of doing an eaton with the swap, you could go straight to a whipple, easily switching between your high hp pulley w/ race gas, and a bigger pulley for pump gas. Even with the forged internals you will need higher octane gas to run high boost, at least this is what my tuner tells me...

I believe Linumup was around 700 RWHP on pump gas with a D1SC.

ponygt65 · 08-22-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dclay

I would love to buy a Cobra engine and all of that but I think if I was going to go through all of that trouble I would just buy a Cobra for as cheap as they are going now a days... All I'm really wanting is like 450 hp to the wheels, and then I will be satisfied. If I get the power bug and have to have more then I will just build a race car or something, but all I want now is a pretty fast street car. Anyone have a P1SC in their car?? I'm pretty sure I'm gunna go that route.. If someone does have one please let me know what you think about it... Thanks guys

I had a P1sc in mine. Tis why I replied.

If you truly think you can stick to 450RWHP and get another car to beat on if you get hit with the power bug, then I would def. go with a used P1 and supporting mods.

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Originally Posted by sideways04GT

True, but in order to run more boost with the D1 you are going to have to run higher octane. And it is not easy to swap pullies on the procharger. Instead of doing an eaton with the swap, you could go straight to a whipple, easily switching between your high hp pulley w/ race gas, and a bigger pulley for pump gas. Even with the forged internals you will need higher octane gas to run high boost, at least this is what my tuner tells me...

That depends on what boost level really. for instance 14 psi on pump gas should be fine, you just have to make sure the timing/tune are dialed in correctly.

sideways03 · 08-22-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Newskool Mach

I believe Linumup was around 700 RWHP on pump gas with a D1SC.

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Originally Posted by ponygt65

That depends on what boost level really. for instance 14 psi on pump gas should be fine, you just have to make sure the timing/tune are dialed in correctly.

I swear, I am getting closer and closer to changing tuners fast. Shaun at AED will not tune my car higher than 10lbs of boost no matter what blower I have on pump gas. And I have a built motor. I have heard that Force Fed in Sacramento is great with FI cars.

ponygt65 · 08-22-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sideways04GT

I swear, I am getting closer and closer to changing tuners fast. Shaun at AED will not tune my car higher than 10lbs of boost no matter what blower I have on pump gas. And I have a built motor. I have heard that Force Fed in Sacramento is great with FI cars.

Shaun is a very good tuner. He just likes to lean heavily on the safe side. Believe it or not, he looks out for his customers. I have spoken with him a few times and know several people that have used him.

But, if you're not happy, then trying a different tuner is your poragative. I dont' know much about force fed. I know of one member on here that had them tune his N/A auto mach. THey got his A/F dialed in pretty well. I'll post a link so you can contact him and see what he says.

sideways03 · 08-22-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ponygt65

Shaun is a very good tuner. He just likes to lean heavily on the safe side. Believe it or not, he looks out for his customers. I have spoken with him a few times and know several people that have used him.

But, if you're not happy, then trying a different tuner is your poragative. I dont' know much about force fed. I know of one member on here that had them tune his N/A auto mach. THey got his A/F dialed in pretty well. I'll post a link so you can contact him and see what he says.

I believe that he is a great tuner. I have not heard one negative thing about his shop, and I've seen the cars that come out of there... bad @ss. I also understand he is on the conservative side. I am just a little frustrated that I am not being able to use the potential of the motor I bought.

ponygt65 · 08-22-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sideways04GT

I believe that he is a great tuner. I have not heard one negative thing about his shop, and I've seen the cars that come out of there... bad @ss. I also understand he is on the conservative side. I am just a little frustrated that I am not being able to use the potential of the motor I bought.

I completely understand believe me. I would be a bit peeved spending that time/money/efforts and be very limited in relation to the potential.

Here's that link I mentioned.

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...ad.php?t=83945

08-20-2008, 03:06 PM	#1
dclay Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas Posts: 4	Eaton swap or Procharger?? I have money to add some power to the Mach 1. I was wondering what I should go with, an eaton swap or a used procharger?? Please let me know anything and everything from people who have done one or the other and how the like it. I tried to make this a poll, but I don't know how to so please tell me which one you think I should go with. Also I think I should note that the Mach 1 is not my daily driver. It has been rained on twice and has 22k miles. It's a 5 speed and is completely stock so let me know what to do. Thanks

08-20-2008, 03:08 PM	#2
ponygt65 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 7,687	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? Here's my answer: http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=513089 Welcome aboard. A more direct answer....P1sc. you can upgrade to a D1 cheaper than you can upgrade from an eaton to a KB/whipple (if and when you get forged). __________________ Current Stable: NO stangs.....DON'T F'ING remind me. Previous stangs: 2003 Mineral Grey Cobra Vert 1965 Factory GT K Code Coupe - mostly original and numbers matching. 14.9 (best) GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!! 2003 MACh 1 AB - MINE!..SLP LM1s, PHP Spacer, and a CAI, that wont' stop whistling. 2004 MACh 1 DSG - PHP spacer, BOrla Stingers, K and N CAI, Tune, X-pipe, 1" 1-piece raised shaker...yadda yadda.

08-20-2008, 03:24 PM	#5
wutang61 CAT MASTA! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Vero Beach, Florida Posts: 3,406	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? eatons rock. __________________ 04' Torched *6-speed* Build Date: 02/25/2004 Ported Eaton @7psi Viper T-56 Built 8.8,4.10's 441/402

08-20-2008, 03:28 PM	#6
machgsxr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,414	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? My opinion is to go with the cobra motor. You can find a used one in the 5k dollar ball park and you know it's complete for the front dress and little things, you get the forged motor while your at it and you can sell your motor to recoup some of the costs or keep it to go back to a built aluminum block. The eaton swap was fun.....for me atleast. I enjoyed working on it and would do it again in a minute to my wifes car if she would let me.

08-20-2008, 04:11 PM	#8
sideways03 LS What? Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,508	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? I have a procharger, and while I love it (especially the sound at idle), I think I would go with an eaton swap if I had to do it all over again. The only reason for this is the ability to swap pullies more easily. Right now, I can't really throw some race gas in there, change my tune and put a smaller pulley on to run higher hp for the track. I would love to be able to do that. So for now, I'm just gonna have to make the most of pump gas. __________________ Black 03 Mach 1 FOR SALE

08-20-2008, 07:39 PM	#9
Scott McClure Mach1 member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: East Haven, CT Posts: 3,349	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? My Whipple setup now would walk all over the Procharger I had. Of course it makes a couple a more ponies. __________________ 2011 Mustang GT Grabber Blue Automatic 2003 Mach 1 Whipple 2.3 718 rwhp 735 rwtq @25 psi SOLD

08-21-2008, 11:43 AM	#12
ponygt65 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 7,687	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? Welp, Guess I was wrong on the eaton swap not being fun. I agree that swaping the motor (if possible) is the best way to do it. I personally would keep the 3650 too, just cause I like the 1-2-3 gear ratio more. When I looked into doing that, the complete setup was $8k+, so I didn't go that route. I do like the look of a PD blower under the shaker though. __________________ Current Stable: NO stangs.....DON'T F'ING remind me. Previous stangs: 2003 Mineral Grey Cobra Vert 1965 Factory GT K Code Coupe - mostly original and numbers matching. 14.9 (best) GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!! 2003 MACh 1 AB - MINE!..SLP LM1s, PHP Spacer, and a CAI, that wont' stop whistling. 2004 MACh 1 DSG - PHP spacer, BOrla Stingers, K and N CAI, Tune, X-pipe, 1" 1-piece raised shaker...yadda yadda.

08-21-2008, 02:44 PM	#13
NeverEnuff Add 49ci...but why? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 622	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? Do we have a 'turbo' option? __________________ 89 LX-NA 32v, 437rwhp NA 79 Coupe-Who knows 93 Typhoon-Daily 95 F350-Tow rig

08-21-2008, 04:55 PM	#15
dclay Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas Posts: 4	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? I would love to buy a Cobra engine and all of that but I think if I was going to go through all of that trouble I would just buy a Cobra for as cheap as they are going now a days... All I'm really wanting is like 450 hp to the wheels, and then I will be satisfied. If I get the power bug and have to have more then I will just build a race car or something, but all I want now is a pretty fast street car. Anyone have a P1SC in their car?? I'm pretty sure I'm gunna go that route.. If someone does have one please let me know what you think about it... Thanks guys

08-21-2008, 05:30 PM	#16
sideways03 LS What? Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,508	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? I have a P1. See my sig for supporting mods. It is fun, but the minute I drove it, I wanted more... __________________ Black 03 Mach 1 FOR SALE

08-21-2008, 10:54 PM	#18
Newskool Mach 10 second club! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Royal Palm Beach FL. Posts: 2,472	Re: Eaton swap or Procharger?? I am one of those people that batted the Eaton procharger thing back and forth for a while. I decided to go with the D1SC so I could have boosted power immediatly and have the potential for 700 HP with a forged block. I couldn't be happier with my decision. love the sound and the performance of the D1SC. You are limited in horsepower with the stock Eaton. __________________ 2014 GHIG GT auto soon to have the whoosh 03 Torch red auto (gone)

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