taking out EGR - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

bleedingfordblu · 08-23-2008, 10:03 PM

so what are the benefits of taking this out. any power gains? is it safe on the car? and will it pass emission? any other info would be great!

3150Mach1 · 08-23-2008, 10:15 PM

Power gain - No
Pass emissions - Not if they see it has been removed
Why remove -Willnot fit for a spacer larger then 1/2 inch. Keep the intake clean of exhaust gas stains

KEVINC66 · 08-23-2008, 10:17 PM

In my state(Texas) it passed after I had it turned off in my tune,it was'nt connected due to some wiring issues.I guess if the computer is'nt being told that the circuit is'nt being completed it won't trip your SES and thats the main criteria for passing the emissions.As far as power gains, there is no proof that having it on or off will benefit the engine.I'm sure there's some scientist testing it as we speak though,lol lol.Hope that helps.

3150Mach1 · 08-23-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVINC66

In my state(Texas) it passed after I had it turned off in my tune,it was'nt connected due to some wiring issues.I guess if the computer is'nt being told that the circuit is'nt being completed it won't trip your SES and thats the main criteria for passing the emissions.As far as power gains, there is no proof that having it on or off will benefit the engine.I'm sure there's some scientist testing it as we speak though,lol lol.Hope that helps.

Its a polution control devise that puts exhaust back into the intake. No one can convince me that is a good thing for preformance. We spend alot of $s trying to dump cool oxygen rich air into the intake and the EGR works aganist that.

Anyway, mine had to come off with the 3/4 inch spacer. I had it shut off before that/

305HP · 08-23-2008, 10:24 PM

Well I would think that exhaust = hot air, and that would heat up the cold air coming in from outside. So deleting it would give you colder air and a better burn.

Just a theory off the top of my head.

canadianmach1 · 08-23-2008, 10:52 PM

Yes it does let exhaust gases back into your intake, but not at WOT ,so it does not effect performance. I got rid of mine and use the 5v for my map sensor on my boost gauge, it looks much better without it there also.

3150Mach1 · 08-23-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

The Canuk is correct. EGR is shut off at WOT..................so no performance gains.

I know. Just keeps my PP intake pretty looking inside.

bleedingfordblu · 08-23-2008, 11:44 PM

yeah i also heard that it cleans up the engine bay. i might give this a shot since im planning on buying one of Roys intake spacers. where can i get the kit to delete it since im sure the hole on the exhaust has to be plugged up?

SHAKEN · 08-24-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 03Mach150BP

Its a polution control devise that puts exhaust back into the intake. No one can convince me that is a good thing for preformance. We spend alot of $s trying to dump cool oxygen rich air into the intake and the EGR works aganist that.

Anyway, mine had to come off with the 3/4 inch spacer. I had it shut off before that/

It helps part throttle performance by adding nox to eliminate detonation and give us better mileage with leaner mixture so I have been told.

3150Mach1 · 08-24-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SHAKEN

It helps part throttle performance by adding nox to eliminate detonation and give us better mileage with leaner mixture so I have been told.

I think that is a corporate line for the green peace tree huggers.
I am not dumping exhaust gas back into my shinny PP intake manifold.
No throttle response problems here.

3150Mach1 · 08-24-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bleedingfordblu

yeah i also heard that it cleans up the engine bay. i might give this a shot since im planning on buying one of Roys intake spacers. where can i get the kit to delete it since im sure the hole on the exhaust has to be plugged up?

When I removed mine I ended up having to cut it out. Make sure you cap the vac nipples in the back of the intake.

KEVINC66 · 08-24-2008, 11:27 AM

Hey bleedingfordblue!!
Go to dagostinoracing.com for the delete kit including the exhaust plug,$19.95.I'm getting one when I start my next set of mods in a month.Hope that helps you out man.

SHAKEN · 08-24-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 03Mach150BP

I think that is a corporate line for the green peace tree huggers.
I am not dumping exhaust gas back into my shinny PP intake manifold.
No throttle response problems here.

Yeah back on in the day of the carb I would agree with you. Air fuel ratios where not as lean for fuel economy in part throttle conditions. http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/egr.htm

From what I have read about Mach 1 engines is that the Pistons are really picky about detonation.
If a tuner added fuel for part throttle conditions then I would say from reading this information it would be safer to remove the EGR.

3150Mach1 · 08-24-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SHAKEN

Yeah back on in the day of the carb I would agree with you. Air fuel ratios where not as lean for fuel economy in part throttle conditions. http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/egr.htm

From what I have read about Mach 1 engines is that the Pistons are really picky about detonation.
If a tuner added fuel for part throttle conditions then I would say from reading this information it would be safer to remove the EGR.

Mine is not stock fuel or timing. So good to go.

bleedingfordblu · 08-24-2008, 12:12 PM

i think ill just turn mine off agian. would anyone like to post pics of maybe a before and after taking the egr off?

3150Mach1 · 08-24-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bleedingfordblu

i think ill just turn mine off agian. would anyone like to post pics of maybe a before and after taking the egr off?

If you do not have to remove it beacuse of a to tall spacer then just turn it off. Shaker covers most of it anyway.

bleedingfordblu · 08-24-2008, 12:22 PM

well if the shaker covers most of it then im not too worried about it

SHAKEN · 08-24-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 03Mach150BP

Mine is not stock fuel or timing. So good to go.

If your part thottle fuel and timing have been modified then your are good to go. This site is a very informative and helpful to alot of people that have Mach's and want them to be more efficient no matter what there goals with there rides are.

wutang61 · 08-24-2008, 02:48 PM

i took mine out so i dont get crap building up on my intercooler.

the main reason i removed mine was i didnt feel like paying hundreds of bucks for emission sensors and ugly metal pipes.

plus, i love the look of a clean engine bay....

with egr

without egr

MUCH better!

Scott McClure · 08-24-2008, 03:07 PM

I removed mine when I did the Whipple. It cleans up a lot of crap. Mine is shut off in my tune but here lies the problem at least in CT. When going for an emissions check if you dont have a CEL your good to go right? Wrong. Some guys have passed only to be contacted by the Motor Vehicle Dept. because during testing a lot of things are coming up NA including the EGR. It's showing up that way as not being functionable.

wutang61 · 08-25-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McClure

I removed mine when I did the Whipple. It cleans up a lot of crap. Mine is shut off in my tune but here lies the problem at least in CT. When going for an emissions check if you dont have a CEL your good to go right? Wrong. Some guys have passed only to be contacted by the Motor Vehicle Dept. because during testing a lot of things are coming up NA including the EGR. It's showing up that way as not being functionable.

im glad i dont have to deal with that crap here.

08-23-2008, 10:03 PM	#1
bleedingfordblu Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,985	taking out EGR so what are the benefits of taking this out. any power gains? is it safe on the car? and will it pass emission? any other info would be great! __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 Stock bottom end/compression Eaton M112 Stock upper Stock lower K&N intake Built T56 Bassani mid length headers Bassani catted x pipe Bassani slash cut tip catback Stock 03 Cobra IRS 18x9/10 Forgestar F14 Tuned by Chris Macduff at IMA motorsports 429hp 407 tq @ 7.5 lbs of boost

08-23-2008, 10:15 PM	#2
3150Mach1 Love my Mach Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 13,678	Re: taking out EGR Power gain - No Pass emissions - Not if they see it has been removed Why remove -Willnot fit for a spacer larger then 1/2 inch. Keep the intake clean of exhaust gas stains __________________ 2003 slowmatic 11.105@117mph w/125 shot of Nitrous best to date Kooks LTsw/OR X, elect cutouts, JLT RAI w/C&L 85 MAH,1" Spacer,PP Lower intake,Accufab TB,160 T-stat,EF Cooling Mod,NX Kit,Mez Electric Water pump,SLP Linelock,FRPP 4.10s-Alum Dif Cover-Alum Driveshaft & SL, Steeda Bumpsteer,MM Alum rack bushings,Deep Alum Tranny pan,Predator,Steeda AUCAs,MM ALCAs, Dspecs,MM CC plates & FLSFCs,MRT Guage cluster,AEM WB,MRT hood struts,Seq TLs, carbon fiber hood/trunk/Cobra wing,220 amp alt

08-23-2008, 10:17 PM	#3
KEVINC66 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 945	Re: taking out EGR In my state(Texas) it passed after I had it turned off in my tune,it was'nt connected due to some wiring issues.I guess if the computer is'nt being told that the circuit is'nt being completed it won't trip your SES and thats the main criteria for passing the emissions.As far as power gains, there is no proof that having it on or off will benefit the engine.I'm sure there's some scientist testing it as we speak though,lol lol.Hope that helps. __________________ 2000 GT vert,03 Mach1 engine,auto, shaker hood,Mach1 brakes,C&L CAI,K&N,Tokico D Spec,UPR Coilover K frame with Steeda front sway bar,rear upper and lower control arms,4.30's,FRPP aluminum DS,17x9 deep dish chrome Mach1 rims with 275x40x17 Fuzion Z1's,Mac Catbac with 3 1/2 chrome tips,honeycomb rear panel,front Mach1 chin spoiler,Mach1 grill delete kit,polished aluminum gas cap.

08-23-2008, 10:24 PM	#5
305HP Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Penn. Posts: 390	Re: taking out EGR Well I would think that exhaust = hot air, and that would heat up the cold air coming in from outside. So deleting it would give you colder air and a better burn. Just a theory off the top of my head. __________________ Mach1 - manual 90MM LMAF, PHP intake spacer, BBK catted X, Borla Stinger cat-back, March crank pulley, CobraR PS/alt/WP pulleys, FRPP 4.10, JLT RAI, SCT

08-23-2008, 10:52 PM	#6
canadianmach1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: edmonton canada Posts: 765	Re: taking out EGR Yes it does let exhaust gases back into your intake, but not at WOT ,so it does not effect performance. I got rid of mine and use the 5v for my map sensor on my boost gauge, it looks much better without it there also. __________________ mods, bbk longtubes, bbk xpipe , slp powerflo catback, EMP Stewart water pump, h&r springs , tokico adjustable shocks, php spacer, 4drilled/slotted rotors, , vortech with air/air, Anderson powerpipe, cobra tank/pumps, ford racing t56 6spd, mgw shifter,center force clutch, 410 gears , moser axles, ford racing carrier ,steeda alum lower control arms ,cobra bumper , and mirrors

08-23-2008, 11:44 PM	#8
bleedingfordblu Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,985	Re: taking out EGR yeah i also heard that it cleans up the engine bay. i might give this a shot since im planning on buying one of Roys intake spacers. where can i get the kit to delete it since im sure the hole on the exhaust has to be plugged up? __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 Stock bottom end/compression Eaton M112 Stock upper Stock lower K&N intake Built T56 Bassani mid length headers Bassani catted x pipe Bassani slash cut tip catback Stock 03 Cobra IRS 18x9/10 Forgestar F14 Tuned by Chris Macduff at IMA motorsports 429hp 407 tq @ 7.5 lbs of boost

08-24-2008, 11:27 AM	#12
KEVINC66 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 945	Re: taking out EGR Hey bleedingfordblue!! Go to dagostinoracing.com for the delete kit including the exhaust plug,$19.95.I'm getting one when I start my next set of mods in a month.Hope that helps you out man. __________________ 2000 GT vert,03 Mach1 engine,auto, shaker hood,Mach1 brakes,C&L CAI,K&N,Tokico D Spec,UPR Coilover K frame with Steeda front sway bar,rear upper and lower control arms,4.30's,FRPP aluminum DS,17x9 deep dish chrome Mach1 rims with 275x40x17 Fuzion Z1's,Mac Catbac with 3 1/2 chrome tips,honeycomb rear panel,front Mach1 chin spoiler,Mach1 grill delete kit,polished aluminum gas cap.

08-24-2008, 12:12 PM	#15
bleedingfordblu Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,985	Re: taking out EGR i think ill just turn mine off agian. would anyone like to post pics of maybe a before and after taking the egr off? __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 Stock bottom end/compression Eaton M112 Stock upper Stock lower K&N intake Built T56 Bassani mid length headers Bassani catted x pipe Bassani slash cut tip catback Stock 03 Cobra IRS 18x9/10 Forgestar F14 Tuned by Chris Macduff at IMA motorsports 429hp 407 tq @ 7.5 lbs of boost

08-24-2008, 12:22 PM	#17
bleedingfordblu Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,985	Re: taking out EGR well if the shaker covers most of it then im not too worried about it __________________ 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 Stock bottom end/compression Eaton M112 Stock upper Stock lower K&N intake Built T56 Bassani mid length headers Bassani catted x pipe Bassani slash cut tip catback Stock 03 Cobra IRS 18x9/10 Forgestar F14 Tuned by Chris Macduff at IMA motorsports 429hp 407 tq @ 7.5 lbs of boost

08-24-2008, 02:48 PM	#19
wutang61 CAT MASTA! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Vero Beach, Florida Posts: 3,406	Re: taking out EGR i took mine out so i dont get crap building up on my intercooler. the main reason i removed mine was i didnt feel like paying hundreds of bucks for emission sensors and ugly metal pipes. plus, i love the look of a clean engine bay.... with egr without egr MUCH better! __________________ 04' Torched *6-speed* Build Date: 02/25/2004 Ported Eaton @7psi Viper T-56 Built 8.8,4.10's 441/402

08-24-2008, 03:07 PM	#20
Scott McClure Mach1 member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: East Haven, CT Posts: 3,349	Re: taking out EGR I removed mine when I did the Whipple. It cleans up a lot of crap. Mine is shut off in my tune but here lies the problem at least in CT. When going for an emissions check if you dont have a CEL your good to go right? Wrong. Some guys have passed only to be contacted by the Motor Vehicle Dept. because during testing a lot of things are coming up NA including the EGR. It's showing up that way as not being functionable. __________________ 2011 Mustang GT Grabber Blue Automatic 2003 Mach 1 Whipple 2.3 718 rwhp 735 rwtq @25 psi SOLD

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