Replacing P1 with F1 - Page 3 - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

Linumup · 09-02-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH eat that Bill

I had planned on boosting 18 PSI on C16 and your car didn't even have an intercooler did it?

This gives me high hopes. My biggest concern is traction. I need to start playing with my suspension! Thank you for letting me know what to shoot for! I was hoping for about 630 rwhp, but if you can run that with 560, I'll be ok with 560 also lol

So get Dave to tune it and ill see you at Cecil on Fri..

Stock susp..

9sec03Cobra · 09-02-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH eat that Bill

I had planned on boosting 18 PSI on C16 and your car didn't even have an intercooler did it?

This gives me high hopes. My biggest concern is traction. I need to start playing with my suspension! Thank you for letting me know what to shoot for! I was hoping for about 630 rwhp, but if you can run that with 560, I'll be ok with 560 also lol

You are right. No intercooler. The car ran great and i wish we would have stuck with it a little longer. I know we could have done some head work and made a few other changes and ran low 9's easy. It was a fun ride for sure.

You are intercooling it arent you? I can tell you from experience that valve seats dont like the heat!!! Would be a good idea

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 9sec03Cobra

You are right. No intercooler. The car ran great and i wish we would have stuck with it a little longer. I know we could have done some head work and made a few other changes and ran low 9's easy. It was a fun ride for sure.

You are intercooling it arent you? I can tell you from experience that valve seats dont like the heat!!! Would be a good idea

Yep.. intercooler is on the car.. waiting for the right spacer for idler pulley. I have the wrong one for some reason.. it's not big enough so the idler actually rubs the bracket.

9sec03Cobra · 09-02-2008, 11:22 PM

Here is a pic to show the belt we were running

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Linumup

So get Dave to tune it and ill see you at Cecil on Fri..

Stock susp..

ha my car won't be ready for at least a couple more weeks. I don't even promise it'll be ready before October although it should be.

9sec03Cobra · 09-02-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

Yep.. intercooler is on the car.. waiting for the right spacer for idler pulley. I have the wrong one for some reason.. it's not big enough so the idler actually rubs the bracket.

Cool. Good luck and i hope to hook up with you guys @ MIR in october at Ford Fever. We are renting the track in petersburg VA the friday of that race and hope to come up there when we are done.

Roy · 09-02-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

Yep.. intercooler is on the car.. waiting for the right spacer for idler pulley. I have the wrong one for some reason.. it's not big enough so the idler actually rubs the bracket.

You're using a NOVI 2000 right? What intercooler you using? So Dave has the fastest mod motor Renegade car? Probably because of the BIG intake spacer I made him!lol.

ls1 killer · 09-02-2008, 11:26 PM

Would like to be in the 525-600 rwhp range on 91 octane (if possible). Thanks to anyone that replies.[/QUOTE]

I had to reply to this......you can get that with a p1sc....im doing 540 with 9psi....your in no need for and f1....i dont think you could run a large enough pully to make UNDER 600rwhp....

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy

You're using a NOVI 2000 right? What intercooler you using? So Dave has the fastest mod motor Renegade car? Probably because of the BIG intake spacer I made him!lol.

This one

Roy · 09-02-2008, 11:29 PM

Sweet.

Linumup · 09-02-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

ha my car won't be ready for at least a couple more weeks. I don't even promise it'll be ready before October although it should be.

Well while your at limbo you might as well upgrade that fuel system .
I notice you have stock fuel rails .
I can tell you right now that Dave isnt going to throw a whole lot at it with what you have now . Hes pretty anal for a reason .

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy

Sweet.

I don't plan on anyone being able to tell the car is supercharged when I'm done.... hence the black intercooler that'll hide behind my Roush bumper with the Roush black mesh. Honestly I don't even remember what brand the intercooler is anymore.

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Linumup

Well while your at limbo you might as well upgrade that fuel system .
I notice you have stock fuel rails .
I can tell you right now that Dave isnt going to throw a whole lot at it with what you have now . Hes pretty anal for a reason .

When my car was being tuned by him for the 200 shot, I talked to him for a good hour about what I was going to do with the car and what I'd need to do. Fuel rails never came up. I MAY need a boost a pump. I have enough injector and a good twin pump setup.

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 9sec03Cobra

Cool. Good luck and i hope to hook up with you guys @ MIR in october at Ford Fever. We are renting the track in petersburg VA the friday of that race and hope to come up there when we are done.

Do you remember what size belt you used? I'm attempting a 106.5" belt.

Linumup · 09-02-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

When my car was being tuned by him for the 200 shot, I talked to him for a good hour about what I was going to do with the car and what I'd need to do. Fuel rails never came up. I MAY need a boost a pump. I have enough injector and a good twin pump setup.

KB BAP
Wire Mod
A1000 Reg

He just didnt want to hurt your feelings .

Dave will not let you stray . Your getting there . Did you do the install yourself

04azuremach · 09-02-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Linumup

KB BAP
Wire Mod
A1000 Reg

He just didnt want to hurt your feelings .

Dave will not let you stray . Your getting there . Did you do the install yourself

Yep, I did everything myself and plan on finishing it myself. Hence why I don't expect it to be done anytime soon. I'm taking my sweet sweet time.

Linumup · 09-02-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

Yep, I did everything myself and plan on finishing it myself. Hence why I don't expect it to be done anytime soon. I'm taking my sweet sweet time.

Very nice .

I have been doing alot of my upgrades with some help from friends . Its the only way to learn .

Not to mention it keeps the cost down .

Thor · 09-02-2008, 11:59 PM

[QUOTE=Linumup;1041421]Im running 8.8:1 and i use 93 for the street./QUOTE]

Same here...

04azuremach · 09-03-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 9sec03Cobra

Cool. Good luck and i hope to hook up with you guys @ MIR in october at Ford Fever. We are renting the track in petersburg VA the friday of that race and hope to come up there when we are done.

Cool. Hope to see you there! I'm really curious about your setup. I'll have to talk to you about it at FFC. That trap speed is really high for 560 rwhp. I only trapped 121 with 430 rwhp and 124 with 480 rwhp. I'm guessing 560 would only get me to around 130 with a lighter car than yours.

9sec03Cobra · 09-03-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

Cool. Hope to see you there! I'm really curious about your setup. I'll have to talk to you about it at FFC. That trap speed is really high for 560 rwhp. I only trapped 121 with 430 rwhp and 124 with 480 rwhp. I'm guessing 560 would only get me to around 130 with a lighter car than yours.

Well you have to remember that the stahl converter is going to hide some power. Im sure it made more but thats why i say, i just let the track #'s do the talking. Look foward to talking with you

Sean

04azuremach · 09-03-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 9sec03Cobra

Well you have to remember that the stahl converter is going to hide some power. Im sure it made more but thats why i say, i just let the track #'s do the talking. Look foward to talking with you

Sean

Oh believe me I know all about the C4 and the low dyno #'s.. I made 405 RWHP NA with the TKO 600 and 480 RWHP with a 200 shot and the C4

My NA RWHP with the C4 went all the way down to 340, but it runs the same times.

SteelwingDSG · 09-03-2008, 01:38 PM

So, since everyone is here, anyone wanna let me know if I'm close in my amounts?

Anyone have any ideas on the cost for the following or give recommendations?

1) F1 (~$1,400 - $2,100)
2) 60# injectors ~$300?
3) Built shortblock ~$3,000? (Or should I just get forged pistons / crank / rods / ARP studs and keep the block?) Looking for the best value here.
4) I imagine I would need to build-up my tranny a little bit, but that can be considered later.

Would like to be in the 525-600 rwhp range on 91 octane (if possible). Thanks to anyone that replies.

04azuremach · 09-03-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelwingDSG

So, since everyone is here, anyone wanna let me know if I'm close in my amounts?

Anyone have any ideas on the cost for the following or give recommendations?

1) F1 (~$1,400 - $2,100)
2) 60# injectors ~$300?
3) Built shortblock ~$3,000? (Or should I just get forged pistons / crank / rods / ARP studs and keep the block?) Looking for the best value here.
4) I imagine I would need to build-up my tranny a little bit, but that can be considered later.

Would like to be in the 525-600 rwhp range on 91 octane (if possible). Thanks to anyone that replies.

Try $2500 for the F1, $350 for the injectors + $40-$50 for the EV1 to EV6 adaptor clips and about $5000 at the very least for the engine build unless you do it yourself. Your 3650 won't last long. It might make it to the finish line once.

SteelwingDSG · 09-03-2008, 01:45 PM

I drive an auto and plan on having a "700rwhp" tranny built by Darrin installed before this stuff goes in. My numbers for the F1 are net of selling my P1. I don't plan on doing the engine build myself.

Thanks for the feedback.

Linumup · 09-03-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelwingDSG

So, since everyone is here, anyone wanna let me know if I'm close in my amounts?

Anyone have any ideas on the cost for the following or give recommendations?

1) F1 (~$1,400 - $2,100)
2) 60# injectors ~$300?
3) Built shortblock ~$3,000? (Or should I just get forged pistons / crank / rods / ARP studs and keep the block?) Looking for the best value here.
4) I imagine I would need to build-up my tranny a little bit, but that can be considered later.

Would like to be in the 525-600 rwhp range on 91 octane (if possible). Thanks to anyone that replies.

The head unit alone was $2700.00
Im using 160s i think Cory is running 83s
Use your existing block and that number should be fine
I was using a TKO600 with a Spec 3+

Not going to be able to run 91
Im using 93 only because i have a stand alone
Cory runs 100

Im not saying it cant be done , but is it safe ? Or is it worth it ?

The biggest issue with the F1 is belt slip . I converted to the 8 rib and tried multiple tactics . I personally wasnt happy enough with the results . An auto will work much better with the 8 rib then a manual .

Im the Cogboy as M1M puts it . Oh well you dont hear me complain about belt slip or breaking belts anymore .

09-02-2008, 11:22 PM	#54
9sec03Cobra In the 9's for real!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Virginia Beach,VA Posts: 418	Re: Replacing P1 with F1 Here is a pic to show the belt we were running Attached Thumbnails __________________ Kelley Performance 2004 Mach 1 9.78 @ 138.9

09-02-2008, 11:26 PM	#58
ls1 killer Guest Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NH Posts: 1,309	Re: Replacing P1 with F1 Would like to be in the 525-600 rwhp range on 91 octane (if possible). Thanks to anyone that replies.[/QUOTE] I had to reply to this......you can get that with a p1sc....im doing 540 with 9psi....your in no need for and f1....i dont think you could run a large enough pully to make UNDER 600rwhp....

09-02-2008, 11:29 PM	#60
Roy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: S.E. Mich. Posts: 3,446	Re: Replacing P1 with F1 Sweet.

09-02-2008, 11:59 PM	#68
Thor "God of Thunder" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: DC Posts: 1,076	Re: Replacing P1 with F1 [QUOTE=Linumup;1041421]Im running 8.8:1 and i use 93 for the street./QUOTE] Same here...

09-03-2008, 01:38 PM	#72
SteelwingDSG Procharger = Very Fun Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 877	Re: Replacing P1 with F1 So, since everyone is here, anyone wanna let me know if I'm close in my amounts? Anyone have any ideas on the cost for the following or give recommendations? 1) F1 (~$1,400 - $2,100) 2) 60# injectors ~$300? 3) Built shortblock ~$3,000? (Or should I just get forged pistons / crank / rods / ARP studs and keep the block?) Looking for the best value here. 4) I imagine I would need to build-up my tranny a little bit, but that can be considered later. Would like to be in the 525-600 rwhp range on 91 octane (if possible). Thanks to anyone that replies.

09-03-2008, 01:45 PM	#74
SteelwingDSG Procharger = Very Fun Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 877	Re: Replacing P1 with F1 I drive an auto and plan on having a "700rwhp" tranny built by Darrin installed before this stuff goes in. My numbers for the F1 are net of selling my P1. I don't plan on doing the engine build myself. Thanks for the feedback.

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