whipple, KB, eaton?

[xXAzureMach1Xx]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

That can't be done.

What you mean willis For the money you cant beat a eaton swap if you only want 450ish hp. If there is bigger and better plans then go whipple but he said he only wanted 450 hp.

[ASH302]

I would say Whipple
I've talked it over a few times before and have thought about doing it for awhile now, but i'm thinking down the road i want to take the procharger off an do a whipple s/c on mine.

the thing is that if i was going with a KB, i would want a 2.2 and up one, well with that, i would have to do the other little parts i would also need if i was going to a whipple,

for budget wise a eaton swap is best bang for the buck

ASh

[Scott McClure]

Originally Posted by xXAzureMach1Xx

What you mean willis For the money you cant beat a eaton swap if you only want 450ish hp. If there is bigger and better plans then go whipple but he said he only wanted 450 hp.

You said Whipple and stock motor giving the original poster an idea it could be done. It can't. You need to choose your words more carefully and be a little more clear.

[ASH302]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

You said Whipple and stock motor giving the original poster an idea it could be done. It can't. You need to choose your words more carefully and be a little more clear.

ok i'm confused, lol
i thought for use to do a whipple set up. We have to basically do a eaton swap kit and then order the whipple to throw it on there,

what i also thought that to do a KB 2.2 and up you had to do a eaton wap and then could do a KB2.2 and up

ASh

[halemach1]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

You said Whipple and stock motor giving the original poster an idea it could be done. It can't. You need to choose your words more carefully and be a little more clear.

What exactly are you saying "can't" be done?

[Scott McClure]

Originally Posted by txmach302

ok i'm confused, lol
i thought for use to do a whipple set up. We have to basically do a eaton swap kit and then order the whipple to throw it on there,

what i also thought that to do a KB 2.2 and up you had to do a eaton wap and then could do a KB2.2 and up

ASh

Where are you getting this 2.2 from? They have long been discontinued so unless your buying a used 2.2 KB for an 03-04 Cobra (which they're highly sought after by the way) get that out of your mind.

Originally Posted by halemach1

What exactly are you saying "can't" be done?

I'm saying you cannot put a Whipple on a "stock" Mach 1 motor. It will blow within one dyno pull.

[TRMach1]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

Where are you getting this 2.2 from? They have long been discontinued so unless your buying a used 2.2 KB for an 03-04 Cobra (which they're highly sought after by the way) get that out of your mind.

I'm saying you cannot put a Whipple on a "stock" Mach 1 motor. It will blow within one dyno pull.

Which is why, if you are considering forced induction, beyond a small shot of nitrous, you should spend the extra coin and forge the bottom end of the motor. Don't be penny-wise and pound foolish (old time saying). You forge the bottom end, and your options are pretty much endless, you don't forge the bottom end, and you pick the wrong combination of blower, or tuner, and BAM, you have a lot of nice little paperweights to put on your desk!

[2k4mach]

Originally Posted by TRMach1

BAM, you have a lot of nice little paperweights to put on your desk!

some pieces make great business card holders

[ASH302]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

Where are you getting this 2.2 from? They have long been discontinued so unless your buying a used 2.2 KB for an 03-04 Cobra (which they're highly sought after by the way) get that out of your mind..

i was just using that as a example cuz not to long ago that is the info i was being told by on here, which ever there not making the 2.1 anymore, but lets just say if the guy found someone seeing a 2.2 or up he would need to know what he is getting himself iinto. that is why i was sayin the 2.2 and up would be like doing a whipple set up

ASh

[jeffs]

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

Where are you getting this 2.2 from? They have long been discontinued so unless your buying a used 2.2 KB for an 03-04 Cobra (which they're highly sought after by the way) get that out of your mind.

I'm saying you cannot put a Whipple on a "stock" Mach 1 motor. It will blow within one dyno pull.

I don't see how it would blow up if it would only be pullied for 10-12 psi, they do make larger pullies than Terminator guys use. I wouldn't call that a "bang-for-the-buck" route by no means, unless maybe down the road he wanted to upgrade his short-block and later pulley that sucker up to 17-19psi. I think a person could bolt on a F1A onto a small 4 cylinder and drive the blower slow enough that the engine wouldn't "blow" on the first wot pull.

Btw, I've noticed there's alot of "can't be done" stuff in your posts/replies. I'm sure your car rocks, but I wouldn't say that you are the "final" word by no means.

[Scott McClure]

Originally Posted by jeffs

I don't see how it would blow up if it would only be pullied for 10-12 psi, they do make larger pullies than Terminator guys use. I wouldn't call that a "bang-for-the-buck" route by no means, unless maybe down the road he wanted to upgrade his short-block and later pulley that sucker up to 17-19psi. I think a person could bolt on a F1A onto a small 4 cylinder and drive the blower slow enough that the engine wouldn't "blow" on the first wot pull.

Btw, I've noticed there's alot of "can't be done" stuff in your posts/replies. I'm sure your car rocks, but I wouldn't say that you are the "final" word by no means.

The stock pulley that comes on a 2.3 Whipple for an 03-04 Cobra makes 13 lbs of boost @ 8.5:1 compression. With a Mach 1 motor @ 10.1:1 compression that equates to 15 psi or better. (You did know that more compression means more boost didn't you?) I have many years of experience with many different combos of blowers and motors on Mach 1's so I'm not just spouting off on a topic I know nothing of. What you need to understand is the things you are trying to accomplish I already have.

[ASH302]

Jeffs i think what Scott is tryin to say that some s/c kits are made for higher boost and aren't made for motors that can't take em, it would be likke getting a F1 an putti it on a stock mach 1, would be a waste time and money. the thing is that you might go over kill and hurt yourmotor.

just tryin to help you out and let you know what can/can't happen,

here is a suggestion; why don't you with a stock bottom end do a eaton swap, set yourself up for around 450rwhp and then build up the motor next. once thats done, turn boost up. the when you have enough money do the s/c kit you want

just a suggestion, good luck

ASh

[04Mach1Blurr]

Originally Posted by TRMach1

Well goody goody for you. I stand by my post 100%. Ask member CMEMach1 how it felt when his impeccably maintained, Jon Lund tuned, Procharged 9psi, stock bottom end broke a ring land after about 30k+ miles.

These stock engines have extremely soft rotating assemblys, and if you plan on pushing 125+ more horsepower, and pressures, than what they were intended for, you better have an insurance policy in the form of some decent rods and pistons, and that's a fact. Sure some people can walk that razors edge and get away with it, just like I'm still running the stock TR3650 tranny, after all the so-called experts claimed it would disintegrate under the kind of power I'm producing, but that doesn't make it the norm.

You're exactly the kind of person I wouldn't let touch my car with a 10 foot pole!

Exactly, I run the stock tr3650 in mine as well with a stage 3 spec clutch. Building your support system before you put the power down. The tuner is a big deal, but hell it can be perfectly tuned and operated and still go boom.

Originally Posted by Scott McClure

The stock pulley that comes on a 2.3 Whipple for an 03-04 Cobra makes 13 lbs of boost @ 8.5:1 compression. With a Mach 1 motor @ 10.1:1 compression that equates to 15 psi or better. (You did know that more compression means more boost didn't you?) I have many years of experience with many different combos of blowers and motors on Mach 1's so I'm not just spouting off on a topic I know nothing of. What you need to understand is the things you are trying to accomplish I already have.

This is what I was saying before. I don't care if your polite or not, if you have something to say besides "it can't work" then explain your reasoning. Like I noted before this is a help site, not a wall of shame site... Just simply put some detail into your notations as people who are newer to these cars are asking questions just like you did back when you started out. Its how knowledge about these cars as well as everything in the world works, people teach it to us, we comprehend it, and then we build on it from there.

sir.