Mach lost to a 350Z in Florida?????

[40mach1]

Okay my friend who now lives in florida left me a message stating that his friend was in a 350z and raced a mach last night and they won. Now i dont know the details yet but was that any of you??? he may be bsing me but now I am wondering.....

Is it a drivers race for us or is he blowing smoke up my A**

[40mach1]

He didnt tell me what color it was or if it was a 5spd but it shouldnt have made a difference, at least i hope

[Explorer]

I ran a 350Z twice. I won both times and not by just a little He was definatley trying too.

[rsnider]

I've been to our local drag strip only twice with my Mach. Both times there were new Z's there and both times they were running mid to high 15's. Keep in mind that the temps were in the upper 90's and the launch pad was horribly slick. To keep things in perspective my automatic Mach was running 13.9 the first trip and 14.3's the second.

I don't understand why though? If you look at the numbers they really should be running much better?

[DesertMach]

Originally Posted by rsnider

I've been to our local drag strip only twice with my Mach. Both times there were new Z's there and both times they were running mid to high 15's. Keep in mind that the temps were in the upper 90's and the launch pad was horribly slick. To keep things in perspective my automatic Mach was running 13.9 the first trip and 14.3's the second.

I don't understand why though? If you look at the numbers they really should be running much better?

At first I was like WTF Rick did you slip and hit your head? I have met you at the track more than 2 times. Then I seen the date. HOLY THREAD REZ..

[Shoafb]

Was this on the track or on the street? Gotta remember some folks are not going to race up to ungodly speeds on the street. Maybe the Mach just backed off? Still the z is no slouch either, could be the driver was that much better. Doesn't matter much to me, I like both cars.

:THUMBSUP:

[Catman]

The 350z has much less RWHP (like 240 I believe) then our Machs, so stock for stock given equal drivers the Mach should trounce the 350z, but anything can happen on the streets right. I've seen LS1 Vettes run high 14s at the track so anything can happen right??

[nickster]

i own 88 350z and a 04 comp orange 5 speed don,t even come close to mach but still no sloutch mid 14s in 1/4

[DSGMach714]

Aarons345 - Not too much information in your post and there is too many variables to say if it's BS or not. If both cars were stock, the Mach driver must not be the best in the world. The Z's run with GT's neck and neck but handle a heck of a lot better then our stangs. I test drove one the other day. Sweet car.. I like the fact that there aren't a million on the street like Mustangs ..

Originally posted by nickster
i own 88 350z and a 04 comp orange 5 speed don,t even come close to mach but still no sloutch mid 14s in 1/4

88? As in 1988? Please clarify that.. And 88 300ZX??

[MACH-A-RONI]

The following quote is from the December 2002 Car and Driver article entitled "Hot Tin Roofs":

"The Mach 1 earns its silver medal because it is brute fun. Drop the hammer, and with no especially refined technique, 60 mph is yours in a scalding 5.2 seconds, just 0.7 second behind a $34,750 SVT Cobra and the fastest time in this test by a full half-second. The first two shifts of the notchy box leave skid marks, and the fourth shift puts paid to 151 mph.
That's some serious motor."

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

[5Liter]

350Z

Car and Driver Road test of 350Z (Track with 6 spd MT): 5.4 sec 0-60, 14.1 @ 101 mph

Motor Trend Road test of 350Z ((Touring with 6 spd MT): 5.49 sec 0-60, 13.95 @ 102.25 mph


Mach

0-60 mph : 5.3 sec
0-¼ mile : 13.4 sec @ 106.0 mph

The 350Z is pretty close for having 2 less cylinders...on PAPER. I guess this also shows that Motor trend has better test drivers than C&D :LAUGH: I think it would be up to the type of racing you are doing too...from a dead stop Mach 1 is the UNDENIABLE winner, but top end, not sure Either way, both are VERY nice cars with excellent numbers for just under $30K :THUMBSUP:

[Billybong]

The 350Z is an overpriced pig and darn ugly at that.

[5Liter]

Originally posted by Billybong
The 350Z is an overpriced pig and darn ugly at that.

You do know that it has 287hp, and starts at $26K without leather, right?

[2Fast4U..Chevy]

350 z'S are no joke i have been in a modded sti and my friend was driving and the z gave him the dance in traffic. Sti would catch an open lane and the zig would follow about 10 feet off the bumper we caught a stretch with no cars on it and the sti was only half a car away the whole time. I call them ziggilos when i see them usally its some hispanic dude with a big smile on his face driving really fast. HEY LOOK ITS A ZIGGILO

[DSG2003Mach1]

after Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords tested the Mach1 with the Motor Trend or car and driver (cant remember which) equipment, the Machs 0-60 time is now listed at 4.7 seconds!

[DanK]

Originally posted by Miss Mustang
You do know that it has 287hp, and starts at $26K without leather, right?

The torque, I'm sure, is much less. I don't know exact numbers of a Z but typically (not always, I guess) imports don't produce as much torque due to less displacement. That is why Ford gave the new encarnation of the 4.6 DOHC broader torque curve(as opposed to 2001 4.6 DOHC), for improved acceleration. It takes torque to get the weight of the cars moving.

[Red03Shaker]

the 350Z make about 220 lb torque at like 5000 rpm...so ya they suck. also i know this dood i dont like that has like a 90 300zx, swapped motor, twin turbo....i wonder what he produces? i know the new motor is still a 4 banger tho. im guessing hes puttin at most 320 hp at the fly at most...but torque, who knows, its jus a 4 banger. my friend in his 96 v6 with flos got smoked by him, but through out first gear the 300zx had nothing on him prolly cuz of no low end torque and the turbo had to wind up. i think in my car id take him off the line easily and then hed need alot of road to catch up (if he could) since he has twin turbo...but also all of his tires sit like this // \\....haha

[mvp]

motor trend pisses me off, they tested a 5 speed 03 mach 1 on their own and they got horrable times, then they tested one with their drivers at their test facility for 5.0 mustangs and super fords and got good times,4.7 0-60 13.19 in the quarter for the 5.0 mustangs and super fords article, then in a later article motor trend tested an automatic mach 1, they mentioned the good times they got in the 5 speed and that was the last i've seen of it. today i pick up a new issue of motor trend with there test results in the back and what times do you think they show for the mach??, the bad ones!! and they got a 13.1 with an 03 cobra!! and next to each car they give a description in the test summary, next to the mach it said something like "shaker 1969,rest of the car ,1979,they said it was way behind the times and called it slow!!

[DSGMach714]

Originally posted by Red03Shaker
the 350Z make about 220 lb torque at like 5000 rpm...so ya they suck. also i know this dood i dont like that has like a 90 300zx, swapped motor, twin turbo....i wonder what he produces? i know the new motor is still a 4 banger tho. im guessing hes puttin at most 320 hp at the fly at most...but torque, who knows, its jus a 4 banger. my friend in his 96 v6 with flos got smoked by him, but through out first gear the 300zx had nothing on him prolly cuz of no low end torque and the turbo had to wind up. i think in my car id take him off the line easily and then hed need alot of road to catch up (if he could) since he has twin turbo...but also all of his tires sit like this // \\....haha

Just to correct a few things..

The 350Z has 274 lbs of torque at 4800.. 287 hp at 6200 and about 200 lbs less than a Mach.. The car is in no means a pig or a dog. It runs pretty good, especially top end. And in terms of handling, sadly to say it would drive circles around the Mach.. Mach is a different kind of car... You can grab a base Z for 27000..

What motor did the guy swap in that ZX? All 300 ZX's are V6's.. NA'd and turbo'd.. Turbo had 300 HP and 283 lbs of torque . Not too shabby..

[LUCKYMACH]

Originally posted by DSGMach714
Just to correct a few things..

The 350Z has 274 lbs of torque at 4800.. 287 hp at 6200 and about 200 lbs less than a Mach..

That sounds like it makes about the same power as a Mach 1.
Some people may confuse advertised HP with actual HP at the wheels.
I just looked at dyno runs for 13 different 350Z's and the average of the best runs (not the average of all runs) is 236 HP and 234 torque.
I don't know if these are stock or have mods, but that's not even close to what a Mach 1 makes - much closer to the GT.

[dcpatters]

Originally posted by DSGMach714
Just to correct a few things..

The 350Z has 274 lbs of torque at 4800.. 287 hp at 6200 and about 200 lbs less than a Mach.. The car is in no means a pig or a dog. It runs pretty good, especially top end. And in terms of handling, sadly to say it would drive circles around the Mach.. Mach is a different kind of car... You can grab a base Z for 27000..

What motor did the guy swap in that ZX? All 300 ZX's are V6's.. NA'd and turbo'd.. Turbo had 300 HP and 283 lbs of torque . Not too shabby..

If we look at your dyno numbers within the sig, your numbers are considerably higher than the 350Z. :THUMBSUP: Most Mach members post rwhp/rwtq #'s higher than the Z's claimed fatory motor ratings. Albeit you changed the exhaust. I had the fortuante experience of taking on a 350Z down I-75. I pulled up on him and passed (not easily). We went again, but @ about 130 mph my car shut down (speed limiter for auto). Needless to say, in both cases, I let him go and caught up, with an auto. As DANK mentioned, torque is key, especially at speeds where aerodynamics come into play, most importantly it takes torque to keep moving as well. The Mach is the clear winner. Moreover, from a roll on, I have taken G35 coupes (Infiniti's equivalent to the 350Z) with no problems. I am sure there are modified 350Z's taking it to some Mustang drivers but at a premium. I cannot imagine the cash layout for doing this.

[DSGMach714]

Fellows, no doubt the Mach is a faster straight line car and has more power..

When I said "drive circles" I meant as far as handling goes.. It has a rough ride but is very very percise. Has good weight balance and a low center of gravity. Mach runs about 63 MPH in the slalom, the 350Z runs 68, that is nearly Porsche and Ferrari territory... The difference between the cars is pretty apparent in terms of handling after you switch cars..

Maybe I was a bit overzealous with the "drive circles". But it's annoying how much mis-information is spread. Reading this thread, some of the responses remind me of some ricer forums I've browsed and how much BS and mis-information about Mustangs are in those.. Ricers constantly say the Mach is slow, "pig", run's 14's, and quoting wrong engine specs.

I am a true car enthusiast and I can appreciate a nice import when I see one. The 350Z and Mach are in seperate classes.. The Z is a true sports car, quick and nimble.. The Mach is a pavement pounding, light the tires up muscle car.. Both are great IMO...

[03mach/03ZX9]

well it wasn't me racing that Z.I would have beat em.

[dcpatters]

Originally posted by DSGMach714
Fellows, no doubt the Mach is a faster straight line car and has more power..

When I said "drive circles" I meant as far as handling goes.. It has a rough ride but is very very percise. Has good weight balance and a low center of gravity. Mach runs about 63 MPH in the slalom, the 350Z runs 68, that is nearly Porsche and Ferrari territory... The difference between the cars is pretty apparent in terms of handling after you switch cars..

Maybe I was a bit overzealous with the "drive circles". But it's annoying how much mis-information is spread. Reading this thread, some of the responses remind me of some ricer forums I've browsed and how much BS and mis-information about Mustangs are in those.. Ricers constantly say the Mach is slow, "pig", run's 14's, and quoting wrong engine specs.

I am a true car enthusiast and I can appreciate a nice import when I see one. The 350Z and Mach are in seperate classes.. The Z is a true sports car, quick and nimble.. The Mach is a pavement pounding, light the tires up muscle car.. Both are great IMO...

I can appreciate that. I guess comparing the two for handling would be tough. Although the Mustang has seen cosmetic changes over the years, the chasis is still 25 years young. Having that tall 32V head V8 between the shock towers does not do much for handling either. Often I find some overlook gear boxes. Just like the LT1 and LS1 F-bodies, the 350Z has a 6 speed trans. With the right ratios, this can certainly aid accelration while still giving up HP. People can say what they want to about the Mach, I call it envy . I don't see Mach's running all over the place like I do everything else.

[Red03Shaker]

ok the dood with the 300zx...its wasnt the late model one that they made untill like 1997. it was the model before that, i think it was a 240zx....i hope u guys know which one im tlakin bout.