Quick Question about original Mach 1's

[matab14]

Maybe this dumb but I'd never heard of it......Did they produce a "shakerless" Mach 1 in 1969? A friend of mine claims they and his buddy supposedly has one apparently 1 of 200 produced.....yet I've never seen it around nor have I seen any others.....I always thought the entire design concept of the Mach 1 always incorporated the shaker? Maybe some of you experts can enlighten me and give me some info what a car like that might be worth if in good shape?

[wdwrdcrzr]

My Understanding is the Shaker was only available on Big blocks in 69. Thus no shakers on 69 Boss cars.The 351 small block cars in 69&70 had that fake non functional scoop.The shaker was an option in 70 for any size engine.Thats my take on it.

[matab14]

Originally Posted by wdwrdcrzr

My Understanding is the Shaker was only available on Big blocks in 69. Thus no shakers on 69 Boss cars.The 351 small block cars in 69&70 had that fake non functional scoop.The shaker was an option in 70 for any size engine.Thats my take on it.

so then if It had a 428 in it in 1969 would it have the Mach badging or be considered a Mach 1? Really curious cuz It just don't seem to be a legit Mach and guy claims the value is extreme and just don't know about that......He also said all number match on the car....im confused! haha

[ponygt65]

it was an option on most cars. And I do recall some machs being produced without them.....but, I could just be remembering wrong.:LAUGH: - it's still early here.

[2k4mk1]

Yes it was available without the shaker hood option

[matab14]

Originally Posted by 2k4mk1

Yes it was available without the shaker hood option

Were the productions number very great? did they consider it any type of special addition Mach? Would they be valued more? I think he told me it was some kind of blue color to that made worth even more? Sorry bout all questions just tryin to find out a little history and to see if it really is the value the guy claims?

[TRMach1]

Yes, the 1969 Mach 1 was available in all configurations without the shaker ram air scoop, which had to be selected from the options list.

1969 Mach 1 428 Cobra Jet, minus the shaker scoop.

[wdwrdcrzr]

The only way to tell a mach in 69 is the window sticker or build sheet and the paint code. There are two paint codes for 69 mach. 1 for the body color and 1 ( I believe it is "5") for the blacked out hood.69 mach's also had 63C for the body code.I dont have my vin decoder handy at this time.It wasnt until 1970 that all true machs have "05" as the 3rd and 4th digits of the Vin.As for the 428 coming with shaker: Only the "R" code (5th digit of vin) had shakers.The "Q" codes had non ram air.Heres a site enter your data plate info in here.The data platewould be on the drivers side door if its there.

http://www.mustanghut.com/decoder.asp

[DannyStyle22]

Yes it was available without the shaker hood option

This is my buddys 69 Mach with a 351W...

[matab14]

Originally Posted by wdwrdcrzr

The only way to tell a mach in 69 is the window sticker or build sheet and the paint code. There are two paint codes for 69 mach. 1 for the body color and 1 ( I believe it is "5") for the blacked out hood.69 mach's also had 63C for the body code.I dont have my vin decoder handy at this time.It wasnt until 1970 that all true machs have "05" as the 3rd and 4th digits of the Vin.As for the 428 coming with shaker: Only the "R" code (5th digit of vin) had shakers.The "Q" codes had non ram air.Heres a site enter your data plate info in here.The data platewould be on the drivers side door if its there.

http://www.mustanghut.com/decoder.asp

Thanks for all the info man.....I guess my only other question would be are "Q" Codes be valued more money and were their less of them produced? Would that make technically worth more?

[TRMach1]

Originally Posted by matab14

Maybe this dumb but I'd never heard of it......Did they produce a "shakerless" Mach 1 in 1969? A friend of mine claims they and his buddy supposedly has one apparently 1 of 200 produced.....yet I've never seen it around nor have I seen any others.....I always thought the entire design concept of the Mach 1 always incorporated the shaker? Maybe some of you experts can enlighten me and give me some info what a car like that might be worth if in good shape?

I went back and re-read your post, and it is possible, kinda like winning the lottery, that your friend could have an extremely rare 1969 Limited Edition 600 Mustang! Information about them below.

"The Limited Edition 600 was a promotional unit developed by the Philadelphia sales district in May of 1969. The 600 consisted of special order, custom colored Mustangs in either "Flower Power Red" or "Groovy Green." This promotion was only available on hardtops or sportsroofs and included a hood scoop, remote, chrome mirror, AM radio, full wheel covers, whitewalls, tape stripes, and unique fender emblems, all for a special price. Even some hardtops were delivered with vinyl roofs. The promotion's sales goal was to sell 600 of these special units, however, only 503 of Limited Edition 600s were produced, clearly falling short of the target of 600 Mustangs. Interestingly, there was at least one Mach 1 in this promotion.

All cars in this promotion were built in batches on April 21st and 22nd, and many were delivered to Morgan Ford (now Medford Ford) in Medford NJ, for preparation and to affix the fender badges.

The Limited Edition 600 Mustangs were then promoted throughout the Philadelphia District by the means of specially created newspaper ads. These ads called attention to the custom colors and limited availability. About 15-20% were of the green variety. It is known that 87 red cars were ordered in off standard equipment order 2784. All 600s will be identified by the absence of a color code and a DSO of 16 plus 2783 through 2788 number on the door data plate. Most but not all 600s were powered by six cylinder engines, largest available engine was the 351-2v."

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by matab14

Thanks for all the info man.....I guess my only other question would be are "Q" Codes be valued more money and were their less of them produced? Would that make technically worth more?

Actually..no. Rarity does not depict value as much as some would like. Desire is what depicts value. The R-code 428CJ Mach1 is the most desired, and generally worth the most.

[GRB60]

Originally Posted by ponygt65

Actually..no. Rarity does not depict value as much as some would like. Desire is what depicts value. The R-code 428CJ Mach1 is the most desired, and generally worth the most.

I agree. White is the rarest of the 03-04 Machs, and I can't believe it will ever be worth more than the others. Maybe not less...but not more.

[matab14]

I also forgot to mention the car to the best of their knowledge has a Factorty "Shelby" shifter and Steering Wheel......Does that make any difference?

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by matab14

I also forgot to mention the car to the best of their knowledge has a Factorty "Shelby" shifter and Steering Wheel......Does that make any difference?

Nope...cause it wasn't factory....even if it was, I can't see it having it.


dealer added most likely....not factory.

[matab14]

Originally Posted by ponygt65

Nope...cause it wasn't factory....even if it was, I can't see it having it.


dealer added most likely....not factory.

I guess it's possible that the shifter and steering wheel are what makes it so obsolete perhaps....the car is Presidential Blue and has NO rust what so eva...from my understanding.....I believe it's spent a better part of it days in the shed but just am still am wondering what would make it the 1 of 200 it supposedly is.....did dealers really do that much after market accessory install like that? or maybe that color is rare with the 428cj's?

[THEONE1]

my uncle has a 69 mach 1 with the 351 windsor and it doesnt have the shaker.

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by matab14

I guess it's possible that the shifter and steering wheel are what makes it so obsolete perhaps....the car is Presidential Blue and has NO rust what so eva...from my understanding.....I believe it's spent a better part of it days in the shed but just am still am wondering what would make it the 1 of 200 it supposedly is.....did dealers really do that much after market accessory install like that? or maybe that color is rare with the 428cj's?

YES. Between the factory spotty records (deleted prior to 67..and Marti has the reports now) and the dealer 'additions' (similar to the sticker options that the new S197s have), this is alot of grey area on the older stangs. I can tell you this.......There is no factory shelby option. Shelby stangs were sent to shelby american from teh factory. Shelby added his items to the cars. The factory did not have these parts. You could only order them via dealer.

there is no way the 'shifter' (which I don't recall shelby having a special shifter) and the wheel came from the factory. It was a dealer add on, if anyhting. Even then, I would tend to believe the 'add ons' were done by one of the owners in the last 30+ yrs.

[matab14]

Ponygt65,

Thanks for allt help man. I with ya on the Shelby stuff....and I really have a feeling the car isnt as rare as it seems. I just want to have my info straight. I love learning **** bout stangs, but at the same time don't one be one of them guys that ********'s all their info. Thanks again! I'll try and get that vin to do some more research!

[cobramach1]

Yes, they produced shakerless Mach 1's back in 69-70. The shaker scoop didn't even signify a Mach 1 Mustang either. It was an option for the V8 engines. The only engine that it did come with from the factory standard was as an R code 428. This R code then could be either a CJ or a SCJ depending on whether the car had the drag pack option. There are a few 69-70 coupes out there as well as just plain fastback cars with R code 428CJ and SCJ's in them as well which have the shaker, but aren't Mach 1's. These are very rare cars though. You have to read the body code to determine if it's a Mach 1 or a plain fastback. I'm sure this was why Ford brought back the R code for the shaker on the new Mach 1 mustang as well since it automatically stood for a certain engine and the shaker back in the day.

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by matab14

Ponygt65,

Thanks for allt help man. I with ya on the Shelby stuff....and I really have a feeling the car isnt as rare as it seems. I just want to have my info straight. I love learning **** bout stangs, but at the same time don't one be one of them guys that ********'s all their info. Thanks again! I'll try and get that vin to do some more research!

No problem...I am always willing to help when I can.

The car may be rare......the only way to find out, is to get a marti report.
http://www.martiauto.com/

[Mustanger2]

Well it's nice to hear it from the horses' mouth so to speak...that would be me...as I bought a new 69 Mach 1 in 69 without the shaker.. it had the 351 Windsor & auto in it....one of the best cars I ever owned..so yes they came without the shaker hood...first hand knowledge here.

[falcongtho3]

Man, this is one I wished I'd been in on earlier. Let me try to clear up some of the smoke here.
First, Wdwrdcrzr is spot on with his stuff.
All '69 Mach 1s had a hood scoop, either a shaker with the ram air 'R' code engine or the blinker equipped non-ram air scoop. (Oddly enough that scoop is labeled on the underside as a 'Short Boss', even though it came on no Bosses.)
The same scoop was available on any '69 Mustang, including 6 cyl. cars. My first '69 had the exterior decor optoin which included the scoop, dual racing mirrors and pin striping.

On the Shelby shifter/steering wheel front, the '69 Shelby had a wooden auto shift knob/handle instead of black plastic. It had a snake inset in it, and reproduction have been available for years. I doubt an original one woul dbe in very good shape after all this time. The steering wheel is the exact same wheel as the Mach 1 wheel with the exception of a snake emblem in place of the Mustang in the center and Shelbys had a steering wheel wrap.

Hope this help.

Also, you can get informaiton on the '600' at...
http://freenet-homepage.de/pony/
Click on Mustang Specials and then on the '69 600. There is a restored one featured on the page.

[matab14]

Thanks agian guys for all the info.....after talking with my buddy he said they indeed had already gotten a Marti Report done on the car and couldn't figure out a thing. They said the original vin also from my understanding has an extra 3 numbers on the end that don't add up....I'll try and get that vin and see if anyone might know how to explain that.....

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Man, this is one I wished I'd been in on earlier. Let me try to clear up some of the smoke here.
First, Wdwrdcrzr is spot on with his stuff.
All '69 Mach 1s had a hood scoop, either a shaker with the ram air 'R' code engine or the blinker equipped non-ram air scoop. (Oddly enough that scoop is labeled on the underside as a 'Short Boss', even though it came on no Bosses.)
The same scoop was available on any '69 Mustang, including 6 cyl. cars. My first '69 had the exterior decor optoin which included the scoop, dual racing mirrors and pin striping.

On the Shelby shifter/steering wheel front, the '69 Shelby had a wooden auto shift knob/handle instead of black plastic. It had a snake inset in it, and reproduction have been available for years. I doubt an original one woul dbe in very good shape after all this time. The steering wheel is the exact same wheel as the Mach 1 wheel with the exception of a snake emblem in place of the Mustang in the center and Shelbys had a steering wheel wrap.

Hope this help.

Also, you can get informaiton on the '600' at...
http://freenet-homepage.de/pony/
Click on Mustang Specials and then on the '69 600. There is a restored one featured on the page.

Uh.....what smoke did you clear?...did you not just re-inforce what was already said?