mustang vs camaro - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

03M1inSC · 01-24-2007, 10:47 AM

alright so if chevy is putting the ls1 350 in the camaros how come ford is still putting the 4.6 in the mustang instead of the 351

spacecaptan · 01-24-2007, 11:04 AM

because the 4.6 is doing just fine? ford completely stopped producing the 351 a long time ago and it would take more than a horsepower battle to make them bring it back. the modular motors are better for street cars anyway. they are more efficient and they make pretty good horsepower(look at the cobra, GT500, even the mach 1). they have no reason to want or need to switch back to older technology.

SpeedofSoundN2O · 01-24-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 03M1inSC

alright so if chevy is putting the ls1 350 in the camaros how come ford is still putting the 4.6 in the mustang instead of the 351

its not a 350 its a 346

why go bigger when the current does the job

4.6>LS1 ..... end of story

65fastback2+2 · 01-24-2007, 11:51 AM

i would like to see more 5.4's in mustangs....just to go with both sides of the story

Uloset · 01-24-2007, 12:39 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing something in between the 4.6 and the 5.4. A 3.75 stroke makes our 281's into 296's that be nice add a little more agressive cams and we can still have the decent low end of the mach and put out around 350 fwhp. As for the 5.4 it can easily be made into good compition for the LS2 the Boss 290's (5.4 Aussie) had about 385/385 with a compression ratio in the high 9's. If the compression was increased to 10.9 like it is in the LS2 that would easliy make up for the 15hp. Or just go with the Ford GT style heads over the 03/04 dohc castings that would easly make 400hp and i'd say closer to 425 torque.

tobamach · 01-25-2007, 12:17 AM

or we could bring back this http://www.karkraft.com/boss_429_engine.JPG
see what the bow ties boys think.

G · 01-25-2007, 12:25 AM

The new mulletaro was getting the LS2 last time I checked.

The Challenger >>>> Camaro

The Mustang >>>> Camaro

The GTO = Camaro

:LAUGH: :LAUGH: :LAUGH:

64valves · 01-25-2007, 01:12 AM

pushrods are extinct in ponies.but i hear the next mustangs are coming with 5.0's(newr better ones of course!!!)

Mustanger2 · 01-25-2007, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 64valves

pushrods are extinct in ponies.but i hear the next mustangs are coming with 5.0's(newr better ones of course!!!)

The new 5.0 engine is a pushrod isn't it?

Uloset · 01-25-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Last time I heard, the Hurricane engine program has been resurrected. That will handle the LS2 and big Hemi quite easy.

I've been hoping for a long time that the mustang will get a 6.2 hurricane. Just thinking about it gives me chills.

Mustanger2 · 01-25-2007, 02:15 PM

I saw one report that the Hurricane engine might be going into the Boss 302 edition...?? sure hope so, that would be historic!

Prices don't look bad in the catalog so maybe one will find it's way into my 94GT!!!

69fordguru · 01-25-2007, 02:36 PM

i thought that there was going to be a 5.0l mod motor in the 09 boss there workin on?

04azuremach · 01-25-2007, 02:55 PM

What kind of person would want a 5.0 mod motor?

Mustanger2 · 01-25-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 04azuremach

What kind of person would want a 5.0 mod motor?

I don't know about the Mod part...but any engine that puts out 425HP or more is interesting to me!

64valves · 01-26-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustanger2

The new 5.0 engine is a pushrod isn't it?

its gonna be modular

CA Lightfoot · 01-26-2007, 12:21 AM

1. Ford ~350hp 5.0L will debut in 08/09 Boss Mustang.
2. Detuned 5.0 (330hp?) will become std on 09 Mustang GT, replacing 4.6.
3. ~390hp LS2 will be available in 09 Camaro.
4. SRT Challenger will have 6.1 hemi with 425 hp.

Weight is the enemy for Camaro & Challenger. Should make for interesting drag races. No contest in the sales race, as usual, sub-$30k Mustang GT will again easily outsell the Camaro SS ($40k) and SRT Challenger ($40K+).

I wish the rest of Ford's future was as bright as the Mustang's.

Firebreed05 · 01-26-2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CA Lightfoot

1. Ford ~350hp 5.0L will debut in 08/09 Boss Mustang.

Weight is the enemy for Camaro & Challenger. Should make for interesting drag races. No contest in the sales race, as usual, sub-$30k Mustang GT will again easily outsell the Camaro SS ($40k) and SRT Challenger ($40K+).

I wish the rest of Ford's future was as bright as the Mustang's.

+1 You and I see the upcoming pony wars in the same light. Let my 3500lb stick axle stang park against a 3700 lb 09 Camaro and 4000lb Challenger....both with IRS. Take some purty pictures of my taillights will ya guys?

mmustangsrus · 01-26-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebreed05

+1 You and I see the upcoming pony wars in the same light. Let my 3500lb stick axle stang park against a 3700 lb 09 Camaro and 4000lb Challenger....both with IRS. Take some purty pictures of my taillights will ya guys?

+2

Lord Umoja · 01-26-2007, 06:48 AM

Not to drag down the IQ of this thread but...can someone fill me in on the Hurricane Engine project. BTW as a 20y/o I can truly say Id like to see a resurection of the "pony wars". I do think if things dont change though, the mustang is going to be on the bottom end of the horsepower curve, but hopefully they can keep the pony lean, and used the weight advantage to help it against the competition.

spacecaptan · 01-26-2007, 06:53 AM

the only reason i don't really want a pony war is i don't think ford could keep up financially.

Mustanger2 · 01-26-2007, 01:16 PM

Another thing to remember... the first pony wars also stirred up the legislators against us & the insurance companies killed us! Expect the same thing again, extreme high insurance rates, & killer laws against performance cars, surcharges etc.... enjoy it while you can, big brother is watching.

Uloset · 01-26-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Umoja

Not to drag down the IQ of this thread but...can someone fill me in on the Hurricane Engine project. BTW as a 20y/o I can truly say Id like to see a resurection of the "pony wars". I do think if things dont change though, the mustang is going to be on the bottom end of the horsepower curve, but hopefully they can keep the pony lean, and used the weight advantage to help it against the competition.

The hurricane project was development of a large displacement pushrod engine for Ford trucks, between 5.8 and 6.2 liters (most sources said 6.2). The project was dumped a few years ago basically because Ford was having finical problems. Rumor is the project has been restarted again not really "hurricane" anymore but still striving for the same end a large pushrod motor. Hope that helps a little bit. We are all just hoping that these new engines could find their way into a stang.

01-24-2007, 10:47 AM	#1
03M1inSC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Simpsonville,SC Posts: 13	mustang vs camaro alright so if chevy is putting the ls1 350 in the camaros how come ford is still putting the 4.6 in the mustang instead of the 351

01-24-2007, 11:04 AM	#2
spacecaptan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marion, OH Posts: 336	Re: mustang vs camaro because the 4.6 is doing just fine? ford completely stopped producing the 351 a long time ago and it would take more than a horsepower battle to make them bring it back. the modular motors are better for street cars anyway. they are more efficient and they make pretty good horsepower(look at the cobra, GT500, even the mach 1). they have no reason to want or need to switch back to older technology. __________________ 2004 Mach 1, white, IUP, 5-speed, and stock...for now 13.68@103 w/2.16 60ft

01-24-2007, 11:51 AM	#4
65fastback2+2 Too many cars to mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6,945	Re: mustang vs camaro i would like to see more 5.4's in mustangs....just to go with both sides of the story __________________ Current Rides: 2011 Ford Fusion 2003 MG Terminator, 2.3 whipple Previous Rides: 2003 DSG Lightning, 486/586, 12.09@111.25 2007 F150 Lariat 4wd Screw 2004 OW Mach 1, auto, 1 of 179 2003 DSG Mach 1, 574 rwhp / 528 rwtq 2003 DSG Mach 1, 13.1 @ 109.1 1988 Mustang GT, stock 1967 TB Coupe, project 1965 Fastback 2+2, A-code

01-24-2007, 12:39 PM	#5
Uloset Fastest Mach 1 Somewhere Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Trenton, NJ Posts: 1,302	Re: mustang vs camaro I wouldn't mind seeing something in between the 4.6 and the 5.4. A 3.75 stroke makes our 281's into 296's that be nice add a little more agressive cams and we can still have the decent low end of the mach and put out around 350 fwhp. As for the 5.4 it can easily be made into good compition for the LS2 the Boss 290's (5.4 Aussie) had about 385/385 with a compression ratio in the high 9's. If the compression was increased to 10.9 like it is in the LS2 that would easliy make up for the 15hp. Or just go with the Ford GT style heads over the 03/04 dohc castings that would easly make 400hp and i'd say closer to 425 torque. __________________ "It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them" I have a problem every time I pull up to some ricer a strange buzzing noise comes from behind me, any clue what it could be?

01-25-2007, 12:17 AM	#6
tobamach Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Manitoba Posts: 25	Re: mustang vs camaro or we could bring back this http://www.karkraft.com/boss_429_engine.JPG see what the bow ties boys think.

01-25-2007, 12:25 AM	#7
G Undocumented Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 15,828	Re: mustang vs camaro The new mulletaro was getting the LS2 last time I checked. The Challenger >>>> Camaro The Mustang >>>> Camaro The GTO = Camaro :LAUGH: :LAUGH: :LAUGH: __________________ _____________________________________________ 2003 Mach1 AB 5spd 2004 Mach1 TR 5spd (sold) 1933 Ford 3W Coupe (4.6 dohc Stack Injection) 2003 Cobra TR (sold) 2014 Mustang GT (Track Pack) in Black

01-25-2007, 01:12 AM	#8
64valves MachAddiction Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: here,there Posts: 476	Re: mustang vs camaro pushrods are extinct in ponies.but i hear the next mustangs are coming with 5.0's(newr better ones of course!!!)

01-25-2007, 02:15 PM	#11
Mustanger2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Grants Pass, Oregon Posts: 1,777	Re: mustang vs camaro I saw one report that the Hurricane engine might be going into the Boss 302 edition...?? sure hope so, that would be historic! Prices don't look bad in the catalog so maybe one will find it's way into my 94GT!!! __________________ I drive a slow Mustang....but I drive it Slow....HARD!

01-25-2007, 02:36 PM	#12
69fordguru 6903mach1 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oxford, Georgia Posts: 381	Re: mustang vs camaro i thought that there was going to be a 5.0l mod motor in the 09 boss there workin on? __________________ Stable: 1969 Meadowlark YellowH-code Mach 1 2003 Black Mach 1 FOR SALE Check out the Cardomain @ Blacked out Mach[/COLOR][/FONT]

01-25-2007, 02:55 PM	#13
04azuremach Loud, fast and fun Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Owning Ricers at MIR Posts: 7,864	Re: mustang vs camaro What kind of person would want a 5.0 mod motor?

01-26-2007, 12:21 AM	#16
CA Lightfoot Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 407	Re: mustang vs camaro 1. Ford ~350hp 5.0L will debut in 08/09 Boss Mustang. 2. Detuned 5.0 (330hp?) will become std on 09 Mustang GT, replacing 4.6. 3. ~390hp LS2 will be available in 09 Camaro. 4. SRT Challenger will have 6.1 hemi with 425 hp. Weight is the enemy for Camaro & Challenger. Should make for interesting drag races. No contest in the sales race, as usual, sub-$30k Mustang GT will again easily outsell the Camaro SS ($40k) and SRT Challenger ($40K+). I wish the rest of Ford's future was as bright as the Mustang's. __________________ '09 Corvette Z51 auto '05 Ford Escape V6 AWD '03 Mach 1 DSG 5-sp (sold 7/06) '79 Mustang LX 5.0 auto (long gone)

01-26-2007, 06:48 AM	#19
Lord Umoja Established Lurker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Selinsgrove Pa Posts: 897	Re: mustang vs camaro Not to drag down the IQ of this thread but...can someone fill me in on the Hurricane Engine project. BTW as a 20y/o I can truly say Id like to see a resurection of the "pony wars". I do think if things dont change though, the mustang is going to be on the bottom end of the horsepower curve, but hopefully they can keep the pony lean, and used the weight advantage to help it against the competition. __________________ My Rides '04 Screaming Yellow Mach 1 "Jennifer" Bassanni Catted X-Pipe, Catback, Hood Blackout, 315/35 BFG DR2s, AFS 17x10.5 Replicas, Professional Custom DiabloSport Tune, Stewart Warner UltraShift light, and XM Hardwire. 12.93 @ 107.24 '93 Nissan 240SX Convertible "Rei-Sen" Restored from Critically Damaged Frame, Lexus Pearl White Paint, Original Factory Tonneau

01-26-2007, 06:53 AM	#20
spacecaptan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marion, OH Posts: 336	Re: mustang vs camaro the only reason i don't really want a pony war is i don't think ford could keep up financially. __________________ 2004 Mach 1, white, IUP, 5-speed, and stock...for now 13.68@103 w/2.16 60ft

01-26-2007, 01:16 PM	#21
Mustanger2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Grants Pass, Oregon Posts: 1,777	Re: mustang vs camaro Another thing to remember... the first pony wars also stirred up the legislators against us & the insurance companies killed us! Expect the same thing again, extreme high insurance rates, & killer laws against performance cars, surcharges etc.... enjoy it while you can, big brother is watching. __________________ I drive a slow Mustang....but I drive it Slow....HARD!

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