2002 Gt with a shaker hood - 2003-04 Mach 1 Registry Owners Club

Sodbuster · 12-07-2002, 11:42 PM

Imitation Mach1 pic

Walt · 12-08-2002, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sodbuster
Imitation Mach1 pic

Sorry, but how can the thing which came first, be called
an "imitation"?

CDC has been selling their Shaker Scoop Kit for some
time now. There were LOTS of Mustangs which had it
installed long before the first 2003 Mach 1 had used it
too.

Just because Ford now installs the CDC Shaker at the
factory doesn't make those who bought, or will buy it,
from CDC "imitation Mach 1's".

rjw158 · 12-08-2002, 09:07 AM

If it don't say Mach 1 on it, it's not a Mach 1! Maybe you can call it a Shaker GT.

1MeanGT · 12-08-2002, 09:11 AM

As long as there aren't Mach 1 logos on it, it is NOT a "Mock 1."

69mach03 · 12-08-2002, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Walt

Sorry, but how can the thing which came first, be called
an "imitation"?

I certainly believe the shaker scoop equipped 1969 Mach I Mustang came before CDC's "kit".

CMEmach1 · 12-08-2002, 10:09 AM

The CDC shaker IS an imitation...of the Original '69 and later Ford Shaker

Walt · 12-08-2002, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CMEmach1
The CDC shaker IS an imitation...of the Original '69 and later Ford Shaker

Then all 2003 Mach's are imitations too????

falcongtho3 · 12-08-2002, 10:35 AM

...which was a knock off of the ORIGINAL shaker designed and built by Pontiac for the 1968 Firebird OHC-6 equipped with three Weber carbs. Called the PFST, the shakers were finned aluminum and were developed by Herb Adams for Pontiac as a predicessor to the Trans Am. A total of seven cars were built, not all were OHC's, some were 350 V-8's. None of the cars have resurfaced. (Source: The Fabulous Firebird by Michael Lamm, pub.1979)

70MachCJ · 12-08-2002, 10:37 AM

The shaker assembly on the 03 consists of officially liscensed, and Ford stamped parts, making it an authentic reproduction of the original. The aftermarket kit being sold by CDC is an aftermarket imitation of both. If it doesn't have Ford stamped on it, it is an imitation.

CMEmach1 · 12-08-2002, 10:46 AM

Yes Walt the 2003 is an imitation of the original Mustang Shaker from '69....recreated by CDC and reintroduced as a "Factory" option by Ford...sorry but that's the truth as the 2002 CDC shaker and the 2003 Mach1 shaker are not used because of performance, they are used because of it being "Cool" looking and retro. Let's face it there aren't any real performance gains from the shaker. The minimal (if any) gains could be had in a lot of other more cost effective ways. Facts is Facts...the shaker just plain looks COOL but it's an imitation of the first production shaker from 1969!

1BADMACH · 12-08-2002, 03:30 PM

The 03 Mach shaker, top part is off the original design. Ford changed the bottom to allow to mount to the top of a non-carburated engine. It's in fact of original design and functioning piece,"modified."

If there was no gain by making it function, Ford would have saved the cost on the plastic inlet tubes and air-flow testing. Infact there is a 7-9hp gain from the shaker. Those who are going to run at the track can take it off and see a drop in ET's without the secondary air source.

CDC did copy the design and is in fact an imitation. Take an original 69 shaker and put it next to one off a 03 Mach and you will see they are the same, except for the bottom half.

Ford also didn't paint the ribs on the top of the shaker to save $$$.

CMEmach1 · 12-08-2002, 04:10 PM

1BAD, The original shaker didn't have the ribs painted on top. This was because the top of the ribs were unpainted and showed the aluminium that was used as the material for the shaker scoop. I don't know if the 03 or CDC shaker is aluminium but I thought I saw somewhere that it was a plastic or composit type of material. I would have to defer to someone that knows for sure. I also doubt that Ford used the shaker on the '03 Mach1's because of the performance gain ...I don't remember seeing anything that stated that there is in fact a 7-9 hp gain. I believe it is used as a retro / cool look that would be desireable to Mustang nuts such as us. If Ford was that concerned about performance there are a lot of other ways to add 7-9 hp that are much more cost effective. The simple addition of a K&N air filter would probably have more effect on track times than the shaker. I would guess that there would be no noticeable difference in times with or without the shaker. I'm sure we will find out. Why is it so hard to accept that it's just a retro repro imitation that is cool. The location on the hood doesn't even have that much of a ram air effect. I don't care if it's a performance boost or if it's an imitation or repro or reproduction or anything else....it's just plain COOL!!! but let's be realistic it's not a very effective boost to hp

Mach1driver · 12-08-2002, 07:38 PM

I don't know about the CDC piece but the Shaker on the '03 is definetly metal, I'd guess aluminium as it isnt that heavy.

69mach03 · 12-08-2002, 09:46 PM

Imitation: Copy
Reproduction: Copy
Original: First, Initial, not copied.

The 1969 Mach I Mustang is the original. Period.

1BADMACH · 12-08-2002, 10:00 PM

CMEmach1,
Your correct that the 69-70 ribs are not painted. Made a call to a friend that has a 69 Mach. My bad. However the new 03 shaker is aluminum and from what I heard from the original supplier, modified.

As for the perfomance. Many people that have GT's wish their scoops were functional, instead of cosmetic. Ford put the Shaker on the car to give it that muscle car look of yester year, I agree.

Why not go the exta and give the owners a functional one. If it didn't people would be saying "WHY." Why didn't they. Well they did after testing and found there is hp gain with minimal additional cost.

A K&N is not going to give you 7-9hp. How else could they have added more hp without upping the cost of the vehicle and re-engineer engine components and then run them thru durability testing. All adds cost to the program. Get back with me, I would like to know.

Ford didn't fall short and squeezed all the hp they could for the cost of the car. I'm happy that someone at Ford pushed to keep it functional. I agree it is cool. The 03 shaker is very much a 69-70 shaker, top part. Now the hood I would agree is retro.

:THUMBSUP:

CMEmach1 · 12-08-2002, 10:49 PM

1BAD, I believe the K&N has been shown to add at least 8-10 hp and I will try to find some hard #'s to support that claim. Do you have any proof of the claimed 7-9 hp gain for the shaker on the '03? I am very pleased that the '03 is aluminium as that is the way it should be thanks for the info. I know all about the '69-'70 shaker as I had the good fortune to restore a few over the years. I think that almost anyone with a hood scoop would like it to be functional but that doesn't always mean that they add to the performance ...a lot of people "think" it does but in reality not all hood scoops add enough hp to make any difference. Hard #'s are the only way to compare the difference. As far as the cost issue I was refering to the total cost of the shaker not the cost to make it functional. Take the dollars Ford has into the development and certification of the '03 shaker system and I think you can come up with several ways to up the hp at less cost per hp. Please don't take my comments wrong I am THRILLED that Ford brought back the Shaker and it's the biggest reason that I am buying the '03 Mach1. The other reason is that I agree that Ford has produced a product that has the hp #'s that I want and they have done a great job on the Mach1. I just think too many people think that the shaker produces a lot of additional hp when in fact it only adds a few more. In my opinion the shaker's biggest asset is that it is just plain COOL!!

TRMach1 · 12-08-2002, 11:18 PM

Just a couple of things here. The shaker scoop on the 03 is cast aluminum, exactly like the original. As for the performance issue, Ford, as a cost saving measure, was originally going to make it NON-FUNCTIONING, but our heros at team Mustang, Art Hyde, Scott Hoag, etal convinced the brass that enthusiasts such as ourselves would never stand for a non-functional shaker scoop! Scott Hoag went so far as to put the car through testing back in June at Tulsa Oklahoma with and without the scoop, and found that it did indeed help the engine breathe better and therefore provided a performance boost at highway speeds of 55 and over of about 8-12 horsepower. It's been proven that the MOD 4.6 biggest power problem is that it is starved for air, hence the magnitude of performance gained by adding superchargers. Ford agreed with the Team and decided to make the scoop functional.

CMEmach1 · 12-08-2002, 11:51 PM

Jim, Thanks for the info. As always you are able to shed much needed knowledge on the issue.Would the MOD4.6 need for air mean that the K&N would be a "must have" as they flow something like 50% more air? By the way Brothers Performance Warehouse (as well as others)lists a 8-10 hp gain with the K&N in the MOD4.6

TRMach1 · 12-09-2002, 12:08 AM

I would say this, anything that can improve the airflow, be it an air filter replacement or something else, would be worth looking into. The more air this motor gets, the more it rewards you with power.

As a side note, from what I hear, looking into less restrictive exhaust plumbing also helps to bring this monster to life!

Walt · 12-09-2002, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 70MachCJ
The shaker assembly on the 03 consists of officially liscensed, and Ford stamped parts, making it an authentic reproduction of the original. The aftermarket kit being sold by CDC is an aftermarket imitation of both. If it doesn't have Ford stamped on it, it is an imitation.

I thought the '03 Mach 1 shaker system came from CDC. If
CDC had shaker system design for SN95 Mustangs first, and Ford
is buying it (design and parts) from CDC, how can the CDC kit be
an imitation of what Ford is using on the '03 Mach 1?

Matter of fact, the changes Ford ask CDC to make to the system
before they would approve it for use in the production '03 Mach
1, have been folded back into CDC's own, updated, kit.

Again, I can't see how you can say the CDC kit is an imitation
of the '03 Mach 1.

Walt · 12-09-2002, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1BADMACH
CDC did copy the design and is in fact an imitation. Take an original 69 shaker and put it next to one off a 03 Mach and you will see they are the same, except for the bottom half.

I have no idea how much CDC "borrowed" from the 69 shaker,
but the '03 shaker is right from CDC. They are the supplier
Ford is using for the '03 Mach 1.

The point I was trying to make, and seems to have gotten lost,
is that a GT with a CDC shaker installed, is not a "fake" '03
Mach 1. Mostly because GT's with the CDC shaker existed
long before the first '03 Mach 1 rolled off the production line.

jaycMach1 · 12-09-2002, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Black98GT
As a side note, from what I hear, looking into less restrictive exhaust plumbing also helps to bring this monster to life!

I don't disagree with you that less restrictive exhaust will easily improve the air flow and allow for more gain.

My question is how much would it destroy the custom 'sound' I've seen discussed that Ford has attempted to create for the car?

1BADMACH · 12-09-2002, 08:57 PM

Ford was using CDC at the begining and decided to design their hood and make changes to the shaker design. CDC's design is for 2V application only. Ford made theirs to fit the top of a 4V engine and at the time of development was a prototype upper intake.

Check out CDC. They have no 4V application as of yet. If they did have the design for the 4V they would be using it for 99-01 Cobra application or something close. They have Just GT and Bullitt.

I don't know who is making CDC's version. Ford's shaker has a Ford part number on it and there are differences in the parts. They both could be using the same manufacturer?

Ford made their own tubes to mate with the shaker and incorporated a resonator for noise. CDC does not have them on their GT design. Ford at the begining had a dash-pot design for a block-off plat in the early prtotype shakers. Those were for Ford parts. I'm not saying CDC wasn't involved in the start of this. I think Ford decided to do some things on their own.

Also, the supplier has to be big enough to support production for 6500 units and extras for Ford's parts and service. I live 15 minutes away from walled lake and have been by CDC. I don't think they have the foundries for casting the aluminum parts. They might get assembled there.

CDC could be the middle man in the suppling of the shakers?
I heard different. As for it being imitation. CDC used an exact aluminum replica of a 69-70 shaker. If it doesn't have a ford part number, or officially licensed by Ford it's an imitation. Just my interpitation.

CMEmach1 · 12-09-2002, 09:32 PM

I think it's very Obvious what CDC "borrowed" from the '69 Shaker....the shaker scoop design. I have always wondered if there are or should I say were any patent or copyright issues with CDC using such an obvious look alike design. I think it goes without saying that the CDC shaker is an imitation of the '69 unit. If in fact the '03 Mach1 shaker is a CDC unit then it can't be an imitation because it is the same original CDC unit that is an imitation of the '69. I would like to also point out that there are some differences between the '69 design and the CDC design. The material thickness is not the same when you look at the outer edge of the CDC unit you will see that it's thicker than the '69 unit. I also think there is a slight flat area on the side of the CDC unit that the '69 didn't have. I am going on memory but the closeup pics that Jim put up of the Cobra Jet script showed this flat area and I don't recall it being on the originals from the '69 design. What would be the difference in the 2V and 4V?

..........Did you say what I tought you said when you said what I said when you said you said it? MADNOEL:

CMEmach1 · 12-09-2002, 09:36 PM

Yes Walt I agree that the GT with the CDC shaker is not an imitation of the '03 Mach1......it's an imitation of the '69 shaker

12-07-2002, 11:42 PM	#1
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12-08-2002, 10:09 AM	#6
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	The CDC shaker IS an imitation...of the Original '69 and later Ford Shaker __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

12-08-2002, 10:35 AM	#8
falcongtho3 Moderating at Mach 1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 16,279	...which was a knock off of the ORIGINAL shaker designed and built by Pontiac for the 1968 Firebird OHC-6 equipped with three Weber carbs. Called the PFST, the shakers were finned aluminum and were developed by Herb Adams for Pontiac as a predicessor to the Trans Am. A total of seven cars were built, not all were OHC's, some were 350 V-8's. None of the cars have resurfaced. (Source: The Fabulous Firebird by Michael Lamm, pub.1979) __________________ Krewe de la Mach Rouge #340804 13th Mach 1 built 11/07/02 Build Date 12/13/02 Delivery

12-08-2002, 10:37 AM	#9
70MachCJ Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clarkesville, GA Posts: 563	The shaker assembly on the 03 consists of officially liscensed, and Ford stamped parts, making it an authentic reproduction of the original. The aftermarket kit being sold by CDC is an aftermarket imitation of both. If it doesn't have Ford stamped on it, it is an imitation. __________________ 66 Coupe Signalflare Red 289 4V 70 Mach 1 Grabber Green 428CJ 02 F150 Flareside Black FX4 5.4L 03 Mach 1 Torch Red 4.6L

12-08-2002, 10:46 AM	#10
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	Yes Walt the 2003 is an imitation of the original Mustang Shaker from '69....recreated by CDC and reintroduced as a "Factory" option by Ford...sorry but that's the truth as the 2002 CDC shaker and the 2003 Mach1 shaker are not used because of performance, they are used because of it being "Cool" looking and retro. Let's face it there aren't any real performance gains from the shaker. The minimal (if any) gains could be had in a lot of other more cost effective ways. Facts is Facts...the shaker just plain looks COOL but it's an imitation of the first production shaker from 1969! __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

12-08-2002, 09:07 AM	#3
rjw158 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 671	If it don't say Mach 1 on it, it's not a Mach 1! Maybe you can call it a Shaker GT.

12-08-2002, 09:11 AM	#4
1MeanGT Full of wisdom Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: IL Posts: 457	As long as there aren't Mach 1 logos on it, it is NOT a "Mock 1."

12-08-2002, 03:30 PM	#11
1BADMACH Guest Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mi. Posts: 41	The 03 Mach shaker, top part is off the original design. Ford changed the bottom to allow to mount to the top of a non-carburated engine. It's in fact of original design and functioning piece,"modified." If there was no gain by making it function, Ford would have saved the cost on the plastic inlet tubes and air-flow testing. Infact there is a 7-9hp gain from the shaker. Those who are going to run at the track can take it off and see a drop in ET's without the secondary air source. CDC did copy the design and is in fact an imitation. Take an original 69 shaker and put it next to one off a 03 Mach and you will see they are the same, except for the bottom half. Ford also didn't paint the ribs on the top of the shaker to save $$$.

12-08-2002, 04:10 PM	#12
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	1BAD, The original shaker didn't have the ribs painted on top. This was because the top of the ribs were unpainted and showed the aluminium that was used as the material for the shaker scoop. I don't know if the 03 or CDC shaker is aluminium but I thought I saw somewhere that it was a plastic or composit type of material. I would have to defer to someone that knows for sure. I also doubt that Ford used the shaker on the '03 Mach1's because of the performance gain ...I don't remember seeing anything that stated that there is in fact a 7-9 hp gain. I believe it is used as a retro / cool look that would be desireable to Mustang nuts such as us. If Ford was that concerned about performance there are a lot of other ways to add 7-9 hp that are much more cost effective. The simple addition of a K&N air filter would probably have more effect on track times than the shaker. I would guess that there would be no noticeable difference in times with or without the shaker. I'm sure we will find out. Why is it so hard to accept that it's just a retro repro imitation that is cool. The location on the hood doesn't even have that much of a ram air effect. I don't care if it's a performance boost or if it's an imitation or repro or reproduction or anything else....it's just plain COOL!!! but let's be realistic it's not a very effective boost to hp __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

12-08-2002, 07:38 PM	#13
Mach1driver Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 158	I don't know about the CDC piece but the Shaker on the '03 is definetly metal, I'd guess aluminium as it isnt that heavy.

12-08-2002, 09:46 PM	#14
69mach03 Modular Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Georgetown, DE Posts: 1,786	Imitation: Copy Reproduction: Copy Original: First, Initial, not copied. The 1969 Mach I Mustang is the original. Period. __________________ 1994 Crystal White SVT Cobra (11.35 @ 117) - 1.54 - 2960 lbs Stock 5.0 shortblock, AFR 165, AFM N41, Edelbrock Performer RPM Air-Gap, Holley HP 750 PA C-4, ATI 8" Converter, Team Z K-Member, 4.10s, Slicks, S&W Chromoly 8-pt 2002 HD F150 - Daily Driver / Tow Vehicle - 14.20 @ 95 - 5495 lbs

12-08-2002, 10:00 PM	#15
1BADMACH Guest Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mi. Posts: 41	CMEmach1, Your correct that the 69-70 ribs are not painted. Made a call to a friend that has a 69 Mach. My bad. However the new 03 shaker is aluminum and from what I heard from the original supplier, modified. As for the perfomance. Many people that have GT's wish their scoops were functional, instead of cosmetic. Ford put the Shaker on the car to give it that muscle car look of yester year, I agree. Why not go the exta and give the owners a functional one. If it didn't people would be saying "WHY." Why didn't they. Well they did after testing and found there is hp gain with minimal additional cost. A K&N is not going to give you 7-9hp. How else could they have added more hp without upping the cost of the vehicle and re-engineer engine components and then run them thru durability testing. All adds cost to the program. Get back with me, I would like to know. Ford didn't fall short and squeezed all the hp they could for the cost of the car. I'm happy that someone at Ford pushed to keep it functional. I agree it is cool. The 03 shaker is very much a 69-70 shaker, top part. Now the hood I would agree is retro. :THUMBSUP:

12-08-2002, 10:49 PM	#16
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	1BAD, I believe the K&N has been shown to add at least 8-10 hp and I will try to find some hard #'s to support that claim. Do you have any proof of the claimed 7-9 hp gain for the shaker on the '03? I am very pleased that the '03 is aluminium as that is the way it should be thanks for the info. I know all about the '69-'70 shaker as I had the good fortune to restore a few over the years. I think that almost anyone with a hood scoop would like it to be functional but that doesn't always mean that they add to the performance ...a lot of people "think" it does but in reality not all hood scoops add enough hp to make any difference. Hard #'s are the only way to compare the difference. As far as the cost issue I was refering to the total cost of the shaker not the cost to make it functional. Take the dollars Ford has into the development and certification of the '03 shaker system and I think you can come up with several ways to up the hp at less cost per hp. Please don't take my comments wrong I am THRILLED that Ford brought back the Shaker and it's the biggest reason that I am buying the '03 Mach1. The other reason is that I agree that Ford has produced a product that has the hp #'s that I want and they have done a great job on the Mach1. I just think too many people think that the shaker produces a lot of additional hp when in fact it only adds a few more. In my opinion the shaker's biggest asset is that it is just plain COOL!! __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

12-08-2002, 11:18 PM	#17
TRMach1 Once Bitten-Twice Shy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Castle, Delaware USA Posts: 3,370	Just a couple of things here. The shaker scoop on the 03 is cast aluminum, exactly like the original. As for the performance issue, Ford, as a cost saving measure, was originally going to make it NON-FUNCTIONING, but our heros at team Mustang, Art Hyde, Scott Hoag, etal convinced the brass that enthusiasts such as ourselves would never stand for a non-functional shaker scoop! Scott Hoag went so far as to put the car through testing back in June at Tulsa Oklahoma with and without the scoop, and found that it did indeed help the engine breathe better and therefore provided a performance boost at highway speeds of 55 and over of about 8-12 horsepower. It's been proven that the MOD 4.6 biggest power problem is that it is starved for air, hence the magnitude of performance gained by adding superchargers. Ford agreed with the Team and decided to make the scoop functional. __________________ Mach1Registry.com Member #7 MCA Member #52787 Nice to meet you, my name's Jim 03 Torch Red Mach 1, 5-speed, IUP *Sold on July 21st 2012!* 2011 Shelby GT500, Ebony Black, Silver Stripes, 6-speed 550hp 510tq Purchased July 23, 2012!

12-08-2002, 11:51 PM	#18
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	Jim, Thanks for the info. As always you are able to shed much needed knowledge on the issue.Would the MOD4.6 need for air mean that the K&N would be a "must have" as they flow something like 50% more air? By the way Brothers Performance Warehouse (as well as others)lists a 8-10 hp gain with the K&N in the MOD4.6 __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

12-09-2002, 12:08 AM	#19
TRMach1 Once Bitten-Twice Shy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Castle, Delaware USA Posts: 3,370	I would say this, anything that can improve the airflow, be it an air filter replacement or something else, would be worth looking into. The more air this motor gets, the more it rewards you with power. As a side note, from what I hear, looking into less restrictive exhaust plumbing also helps to bring this monster to life! __________________ Mach1Registry.com Member #7 MCA Member #52787 Nice to meet you, my name's Jim 03 Torch Red Mach 1, 5-speed, IUP *Sold on July 21st 2012!* 2011 Shelby GT500, Ebony Black, Silver Stripes, 6-speed 550hp 510tq Purchased July 23, 2012! Last edited by TRMach1; 12-09-2002 at 12:12 AM.

12-09-2002, 08:57 PM	#23
1BADMACH Guest Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mi. Posts: 41	Ford was using CDC at the begining and decided to design their hood and make changes to the shaker design. CDC's design is for 2V application only. Ford made theirs to fit the top of a 4V engine and at the time of development was a prototype upper intake. Check out CDC. They have no 4V application as of yet. If they did have the design for the 4V they would be using it for 99-01 Cobra application or something close. They have Just GT and Bullitt. I don't know who is making CDC's version. Ford's shaker has a Ford part number on it and there are differences in the parts. They both could be using the same manufacturer? Ford made their own tubes to mate with the shaker and incorporated a resonator for noise. CDC does not have them on their GT design. Ford at the begining had a dash-pot design for a block-off plat in the early prtotype shakers. Those were for Ford parts. I'm not saying CDC wasn't involved in the start of this. I think Ford decided to do some things on their own. Also, the supplier has to be big enough to support production for 6500 units and extras for Ford's parts and service. I live 15 minutes away from walled lake and have been by CDC. I don't think they have the foundries for casting the aluminum parts. They might get assembled there. CDC could be the middle man in the suppling of the shakers? I heard different. As for it being imitation. CDC used an exact aluminum replica of a 69-70 shaker. If it doesn't have a ford part number, or officially licensed by Ford it's an imitation. Just my interpitation.

12-09-2002, 09:32 PM	#24
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	I think it's very Obvious what CDC "borrowed" from the '69 Shaker....the shaker scoop design. I have always wondered if there are or should I say were any patent or copyright issues with CDC using such an obvious look alike design. I think it goes without saying that the CDC shaker is an imitation of the '69 unit. If in fact the '03 Mach1 shaker is a CDC unit then it can't be an imitation because it is the same original CDC unit that is an imitation of the '69. I would like to also point out that there are some differences between the '69 design and the CDC design. The material thickness is not the same when you look at the outer edge of the CDC unit you will see that it's thicker than the '69 unit. I also think there is a slight flat area on the side of the CDC unit that the '69 didn't have. I am going on memory but the closeup pics that Jim put up of the Cobra Jet script showed this flat area and I don't recall it being on the originals from the '69 design. What would be the difference in the 2V and 4V? ..........Did you say what I tought you said when you said what I said when you said you said it? MADNOEL: __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

12-09-2002, 09:36 PM	#25
CMEmach1 &amp;quot;281 SUPERCHARGED&amp;quot; Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: West Grove Pa. Posts: 1,716	Yes Walt I agree that the GT with the CDC shaker is not an imitation of the '03 Mach1......it's an imitation of the '69 shaker __________________ '03 Azure Mach1 #719 Built 12/5/02, In Garage 12/13/02 The Ride is Over It was a BLAST ! The Memories will Last Forever ! Thank You M1R !!!

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