Ford's New Motor line-up

[04comporgmach1]

Just found this out from a friend of mine on another forum.


"I just got back from a Ford parts and service meeting last night in Waco. It was sponsored by ford's Field Service Engineer program. It was pretty freakin' cool. During the course of the meeting, they had a slide show for upcoming new platforms for vehicles. One in particular caught my eye. it was for the 2011 MY Mustang GT. The confirmed motor in this thing is Called the "coyote" motor.
The thing is, its a BMF. It is the 5.0 TiVCT 32v motor. Stock, the thing puts out 400 hp, and 375 tq. It has 11:1 compression, and a redline of 7000 rpm. This IS confirmed to be in that car. They also had pictures of this thing crammed into the engine bay. Keep in mind, that motor will take the place of the current 3v 4.6 281's. Ford is FINNALY phazing that motor out.
The other motor that they are putting on the assembly line, is the 6.2 Boss V8. There is no current platform for this motor, but it is confirmed that it will not go into a f series truck. It very well could end up being a strictly SVT motor for a cobra. The 6.2 has a very low compression ratio, and dual sparkplugs per cylinder. The horsepower in for that motor is 375hp, and 410 tq. seems perfect for a blown, or turbo application.
Either way, the next few years will be pretty exciting!"

[Madmax305]

Even at 400hp and 375tq, that is still behind the performance end of cars in todays market. I put 560hp to the wheels and the car club I run with, most guys are running 600-700plus to the wheels. Are these new motors going to be a larger mod motor? The problem with mod motors is that they are so expensive to work on. The 2010 Challenger SRT8 will have the 6.1 liter, 525hp push rod engine. I wish Ford would offer a 6.1 N/A motor pushing that much power, if not, it will be a while for my next Mustang purchase. anger:

[falcongtho3]

The new 5.0 Coyote took a lot of people by surprised. We mentioned it here a few months ago, but to hear it 'officially' announced is a good thing. The 6.2 'Boss' engine has actually been around for seom years, but onyl collecting dust in some back corner of the Romeo plant. It was last mentioned as going into the 2010 H-D F-150,but the turmoil in the truck industry has made that an uncertainty now. I could see it in the Super Dutys, but most of us here are hoping to see it in either a Boss, or Shelby or some other version of the new Mustang.

[ttown]

Nothing wrong with 400 HP as long as you keep the weight around the same as the current mustang. The reason 400 HP is so common is because that's what it takes to pull a 4000 pound car around with decent performance.

[bleedingfordblu]

thats awesome! its not going to weigh much much more because its basically the same car with an extra 1oo hp. its gonna weigh much less than the challenger and camaro. i think it'll be a success. plus low compression on the 6.2 means boost!

[DannyStyle22]

Originally Posted by ttown

Nothing wrong with 400 HP as long as you keep the weight around the same as the current mustang. The reason 400 HP is so common is because that's what it takes to pull a 4000 pound car around with decent performance.

I agree 400 hp at 3400 lbs would be nice! Its all power to weight ratio. The charger srt8 even with its 6.1 pushing 425/420 still turns the same times as us with 305

[ponygt65]

I'll believe it when I see it. THis is manufacturing guys. They can 'plan' all they want, but I think all of us know better. Once production starts, it a different ball game. It'll probably be 350hp at most.

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by ponygt65

I'll believe it when I see it. THis is manufacturing guys. They can 'plan' all they want, but I think all of us know better. Once production starts, it a different ball game. It'll probably be 350hp at most.

Which would make perfect sense if it were to be fit in an upcoming Shelby GT-350!?!

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

Which would make perfect sense if it were to be fit in an upcoming Shelby GT-350!?!

Very true.....except the originals only had ~300. HAHAH.

[birdman941]

I have never been a fan of the 3V motor at all.
2V mods had their place, as did the 4V.
3V is a waste and a stop gap.
yeah yeah,you can make power with a 3V, but why bother?

[falcongtho3]

Originally Posted by ponygt65

Very true.....except the originals only had ~300. HAHAH.

True, but the original GT-500s didn't have 500hp either. The new ones do, so that's why I think it would make sense in calling a 350hp car a GT-350. I'm kinda glad the didn't call the newer Shelby GTs the Shelby GT-318. Too Mopar-ish...

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by falcongtho3

True, but the original GT-500s didn't have 500hp either. The new ones do, so that's why I think it would make sense in calling a 350hp car a GT-350. I'm kinda glad the didn't call the newer Shelby GTs the Shelby GT-318. Too Mopar-ish...

I agree. Just tossing the heritage thing up there.

[Firebreed05]

Originally Posted by birdman941

I have never been a fan of the 3V motor at all.
2V mods had their place, as did the 4V.
3V is a waste and a stop gap.
yeah yeah,you can make power with a 3V, but why bother?

Sorry, I'm not one to razz someone at random on these boards.........but that's one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard on this forum. You can make power with a 3V..........but you think that's useless??? Explain that one to me again.

I've owned a 2V, there is absolutely no WAY I'd go back to owning one of those slugs. A pure example of Ford not trying IMO. So, if Ford wasn't willing to spend the $$$ to put the 4V into the GT model.....and the 2V was being outdone by V6 sedans on the streets.......then an upgraded 281 was a no brainer. I just fail to see the logic in your statement. Saying you don't like the new cars is one thing.....but saying the motor isn't worth a **** despite the fact its the best 281 to see duty in the GT outside of the DOHC, is just dumb.

[bleedingfordblu]

Originally Posted by Firebreed05

Sorry, I'm not one to razz someone at random on these boards.........but that's one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard on this forum. You can make power with a 3V..........but you think that's useless??? Explain that one to me again.

I've owned a 2V, there is absolutely no WAY I'd go back to owning one of those slugs. A pure example of Ford not trying IMO. So, if Ford wasn't willing to spend the $$$ to put the 4V into the GT model.....and the 2V was being outdone by V6 sedans on the streets.......then an upgraded 281 was a no brainer. I just fail to see the logic in your statement. Saying you don't like the new cars is one thing.....but saying the motor isn't worth a **** despite the fact its the best 281 to see duty in the GT outside of the DOHC, is just dumb.

i kinda have to agree. the 3v is much much better than the 2v's

[SHKR281]

Im sick of modulars honestly give me a good ol pushrod.

[Apollo240]

I agree with the 3v being a turd. When I was basically stock I was beating the 3v cars that with gears exhaust chip blah blah. I test drove one and while the car seems gigantic, the motor IMHO felt more like a 2v to me. I felt like the car barely pulled above 70mph. I did like the smooth shift the new cars 3650 had...wish mine felt like that.

What does TiVCT mean? Call me dumb but I never heard that before.

[Uloset]

Sorry man but the 3v's in a 05+ is nearly as good in the 1/4 as our cars and they run on regular, have less moving parts, run lower compression and take up less space under the hood. Retune those engines for 91 and they’ll run right with us.

To the OP do you know if the new coyote is DOHC or SOHC it would save a good amount of space and also reduce weight if they would implement 4v’s that run off of one cam (Honda does this on a few of their engines) so its not some revolutionary step either.

[Apollo240]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Where the new engines will shine is in the new fuel injection technology.

ANyone that thinks that the 3Vs are dogs, never seen one properly tuned. Not EVERYONE can PROPERLY tune a 3V!!!!!!!
Can a Mach1 or Cobra 4V live at over 500RWHP for over 60K miles on a STOCK ENGINE??????

I didnt know a 3v was able to do that. Your talking stock bottom end right? I was always told a Mach is no good past 450rwhp on the stock bottom end but I've never heard about the 3v's limits. I only know 1 fast 3v and its nowhere near stock.

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Where the new engines will shine is in the new fuel injection technology.

ANyone that thinks that the 3Vs are dogs, never seen one properly tuned. Not EVERYONE can PROPERLY tune a 3V!!!!!!!
Can a Mach1 or Cobra 4V live at over 500RWHP for over 60K miles on a STOCK ENGINE??????

Hmmm. I've talked to a few modded 3V guys and they all say the same as the mach....well, 500RWHP. (CR I presume). THey have the same internals, so how is that?

IMHO, the 3V motors SUCK BA**S in stock form. BUT, with a CAI and a good Dyno tune.....they can be potent. I know Ford restricted the crap out of the tune from the factory.

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

I don't care who ya TALKED to.....I've seen it on SEVERAL 3V engines.
No.........the parts are NOT the same.

SHOOSH!!...

WHat internals do they have? I'll be first to admit I'm not as ignorantless on 3V as I'd like to be.

Instruct us in the way of the tunerforce Master Colonel.

SEriously though...what they have?

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

It's called better rods and pistons.

Uh...I kind of got that from what you said....but what are they made of and/or 'why' are they better.

Come on Bill...what happened to none-vagueness.

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

I thought you were the end all be all expert.

You're the one that is doubting me, so it's up to YOU to disprove MY statement.
You're either a dang Dem or a dang RINO!

I'm not doubting you at all...I"m simply asking you.

Hemoroids acting up again today Bill?

End all be all expert?....WTH did that come from?

[Uloset]

All I know is I've seen plenty of people around that blew their 3v's at 450rwhp so if it were my DD I wouldn't go over that number. They still have crappy rods and pistons maybe not crappiest but nothing I'd force feed a ton of boost too.

[ponygt65]

Originally Posted by Uloset

All I know is I've seen plenty of people around that blew their 3v's at 450rwhp so if it were my DD I wouldn't go over that number. They still have crappy rods and pistons maybe not crappiest but nothing I'd force feed a ton of boost too.

Originally Posted by Mach1Marauder

Like I said.........

Do you realize exactly how different the computers are between our cars and the 05+???

I couldnt' find anything on the difference between the rods and pistons. All I found is that Justin at JDM seems to be the man to tune 3V's and is the consistant one behind 475-500RWHP FI 3V's. I'm not trying to take away from any other tuners, I'm just saying that is what I found out. I didn't find any over 500 outside of 'third party' speaking.

I'm still curious to know what type of internals they have.

[rich1]

PonyGt65 , I agree with you on this one.. . BS ! Many people around here never even make it to 450hp. The Tuner i know over- reved my Mach on the Dyno to 7k .He said good thing that wasnt 3 valve ...one bad over-rev and they blow .I asked him what was causing it and he said the valvetrain is weak .This was not just his opinion ,he tunes cars at Mustang Week every year and said others say the same thing.We know power is in the heads but several well known engine builders say the 3 valve wont out flow the 4 valve either. I want someone in parts to tell me the differance in the Rods and pistons too .Heres some Head Flow Data....

2Valve @ .600 lift ...intake 160 cfm...exhaust 138
3Valve @.600 lift ...intake 199cfm... exhaust 138.90
4 Valve @.500 lift...intake 233cfm... exhaust 169